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GioforPM · 02-01-2021, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I could see why Bennett would think it was an option though...that was the Flames best line in the Bubble.

They could have easily made it work and it was that way to start pre-season.

These were the lines at one point in the camp, and it changed with Dube moving up before the season started.

Tkachuk - Lindholm - Leivo
Gaudreau - Monahan - Simon
Mangiapane - Backlund - Ryan
Lucic - Bennett - Dube

So I don't think it's crazy to think that Bennett thought if he played center he was going to stick with the same linemates he had success with in the bubble last season.

Well, sure, I assumed though that the conversation happened at the end of camp.

ben voyonsdonc · 02-01-2021, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I could see why Bennett would think it was an option though...that was the Flames best line in the Bubble.

They could have easily made it work and it was that way to start pre-season.

These were the lines at one point in the camp, and it changed with Dube moving up before the season started.

Tkachuk - Lindholm - Leivo
Gaudreau - Monahan - Simon
Mangiapane - Backlund - Ryan
Lucic - Bennett - Dube

So I don't think it's crazy to think that Bennett thought if he played center he was going to stick with the same linemates he had success with in the bubble last season.

Ward's job is not to make Bennett happy but to put the best possible team on the ice. Dube on the fourth line clearly isn't the best for the team.

Enoch Root · 02-01-2021, 11:56 AM

There was no guarantee, prior to the season starting, that Lindholm would in fact play C (and stay there).

Also, they asked Bennett, so he answered.

Now, 7 games in, it is clear that Lindholm is playing C, so if Bennett wants to play C, it'll be on the 4th line. So he chose to go back to wing.

Seems like a giant nothing burger to me.

ben voyonsdonc · 02-01-2021, 11:57 AM

The difference between Dube and Bennett is that, every time Dube has been put on a lower line, he excels and lifts his line. He shows that keeping him from getting minutes is bad for the team. Bennett has proven to be more or less replaceable outside of the playoffs.

Lanny_McDonald · 02-01-2021, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Then he still didn't do the math, with Lindholm also at C, since that required Dube to move up the lineup. Leaving him with one of Leivo, Nordstrom, Simon or Ryan. But in any event, he couldn't have imagines getting more minutes or better situations than Backlund, Lindholm and Monahan.

Self-awareness does not appear to be one of his character strengths.

The Yen Man · 02-01-2021, 11:59 AM

I don't ever question Bennett's work ethic, he just doesn't have the on ice vision to be an effective top 6 player. The quicker he realizes this, the better it is for him IMO. He should just settle on the fact that he'll always be a bottom 6 forward, and work to improve on that.

What's frustrating about Bennett's play is he still makes those junior moves where he just drives to the net regardless of if there's a lane or not, rather than knowing who else is on the ice that he can pass it to. His on ice vision is pretty much just tunnel vision in front of him.

Cecil Terwilliger · 02-01-2021, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

The difference between Dube and Bennett is that, every time Dube has been put on a lower line, he excels and lifts his line. He shows that keeping him from getting minutes is bad for the team. Bennett has proven to be more or less replaceable outside of the playoffs.

The other difference between Dube and Bennett?

Dube can do a pull-up.

DeluxeMoustache · 02-01-2021, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

I feel like I am in crazy town...let's bend over backwards to please a guy who had 12 points last season. 12

I think all of the hubbub is online.

Nothing wrong with Ward having a conversation with the player about his slotting

The Flames are clearly not building their strategy around 93

bigpete · 02-01-2021, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

I feel like I am in crazy town...let's bend over backwards to please a guy who had 12 points last season. 12

The hope is that if you can find just the right potion that unleashes the potential that's in there somewhere it would make this team so much better and deeper. We've see flashes of it in his rookie year and every playoffs. I don't think anyone still thinks he can be a first liner, but a force on the third line seems like it is a possibility.

Johnny Makarov · 02-01-2021, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Bennett has played no better than Lucic or Nordstrom...those guys could say the same thing. Sam can't make or take a pass for some reason.

Nordstrom's last game was better than any game Bennett has played this year.

DoubleK · 02-01-2021, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by btimbit

I think it's also a little lost in translation between the agent and the media. 'Open to a trade' is a long ways away from "Trade me right ####ing now"

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Lanny_McDonald · 02-01-2021, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bigpete

The hope is that if you can find just the right potion that unleashes the potential that's in there somewhere it would make this team so much better and deeper. We've see flashes of it in his rookie year and every playoffs. I don't think anyone still thinks he can be a first liner, but a force on the third line seems like it is a possibility.

No. Just no. Stop this building up the Legend of Sam Bennett. Bennett has not been some superstar unleashed in the post-season. Bennett has been Bennett. The same no skill, no brain, crease crasher that does as much damage as he does good. The difference being this past summer (play-in and playoffs) he had Dillion Dube lifting two scrubs to make a decent line that Winnipeg didn't have an answer for. Once the actual post-season started the efficacy dropped. But the reality was it was all Dube. We said that as that series played on and then again in the post-mortem. There were more than a few of us that were concerned the minute Dube was taken off that line the success would dry up and regular Sam Bennett would return. Funny thing, you remove Dube and replace him with Nordstrom and that line is worse than anything we've seen from any 4th line. Dube has proven to be the player. Sam Bennett is what he is. I wish people would stop trying to create something he isn't.

SuperMatt18 · 02-01-2021, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, sure, I assumed though that the conversation happened at the end of camp.

I'm assuming it happened before training camp...since he started training camp at center.

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Originally Posted by dino7c

I feel like I am in crazy town...let's bend over backwards to please a guy who had 12 points last season. 12

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Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

Ward's job is not to make Bennett happy but to put the best possible team on the ice. Dube on the fourth line clearly isn't the best for the team.

I'm not saying that's what the coach should have done, or that he should have kept Dube on that line.

I was replying to the people questioning why Bennett thought he might have had better linemates playing center, only to then want to move back to wing shortly after the season started.

All I'm saying is that based on how the bubble went, and how lines started in pre-season, Bennett probably thought he'd start the season on a line with Lucic & Dube, and when he realized it wasn't happened he asked to shift back to wing.

As Enoch Root said I think there is a lot being made about nothing here.

CalgaryFan1988 · 02-01-2021, 12:27 PM

And so the legend of Dillon Dubé begins...

peter12 · 02-01-2021, 12:27 PM

Good.

Vinny01 · 02-01-2021, 12:35 PM

Bruins fans on HF have been throwing Kase’s name around and there was a rumor the Flames were interested in him in the past if I am not mistaken?

Reign of Fire · 02-01-2021, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

The other difference between Dube and Bennett?

Dube can do a pull-up.

Joke is getting pretty old.

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Cecil Terwilliger · 02-01-2021, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

Joke is getting pretty old.

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Yeah, that's how space time in the known universe works...

You just figured this out now?

CSharp · 02-01-2021, 12:47 PM

Crap, every time someone gets compared with Bennett, that player gets shipped out or signs elsewhere. Then Bennett remains as a Flames. I wonder if other GM's skims over the Bennett threads and get a laugh, then offers Tre a bag of pucks for Bennett (like what the Ducks did). We all know Tre has been trying hard to unload Bennett as part of many packages, but each time, he had to pony up better players or nothing at all.

Enoch Root · 02-01-2021, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CSharp

Crap, every time someone gets compared with Bennett, that player gets shipped out or signs elsewhere. Then Bennett remains as a Flames. I wonder if other GM's skims over the Bennett threads and get a laugh, then offers Tre a bag of pucks for Bennett (like what the Ducks did). We all know Tre has been trying hard to unload Bennett as part of many packages, but each time, he had to pony up better players or nothing at all.

examples?