DC Capitol Riot & Subsequent Fallout Thread (Jan 2021)

[devo22]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1351934178493935620


to be fair, looks pretty peaceful

[Mull]

Originally Posted by devo22

Spoiler!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1351934178493935620

to be fair, looks pretty peaceful

Ya, I don't' see any ill will or laughter to someone like this, peacefully protesting. Anti-Trump people had massive protests about Trump when he was first elected "not my president" was a real thing.

Now, from a moral perspective, those protest were protesting very different aspects of the two presidency's, but people tend to laugh at the protestors still supporting Trump when their "side" does it as well

[CaptainCrunch]

Soooo . . . nothing happened. No mass attacks, or inside attacks from National Guard Troops. No attacks at state legislatures.


Hopefully the attack on the capital is a one time thing, and these people are going to slink back to their little compounds and moms basements to stew.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

no he shouldn't. that's not something a coworker should do.
All that would do is create a toxic workplace and would make him a target.

people like that are not going to be swayed by a "libtard" challenging them.

the smart thing is to do what he did. Have his own personal opinion on the matter and keep his mouth shut.

Typically I would say the smart thing to do is act interest in ask questions, to make the motivated reasoning more and more complex, you never know when it will hit the breaking point for a person.

That said, I do under the challenge doing this with Trumpers when there reasoning is incomprehensible, and they have shown a willingness to dig themselves into deeper and deeper pits. Rarely do I have the patients to actually help them in this way, I greatly admire the people who do.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by 81MC

You insult your coworkers over their stupid opinions about things that have nothing to do with work daily?

Why not just, you know, get to work?

Does it, though?

I'll paraphrase a friend of mine here regarding working with people who deal in conspiracy theories: when dollars and cents are on the line, don't work with them. When people buy into garbage, it makes you question their acumen and ability in their own field. You are going to question every decision they make because they're susceptible to bad information.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Soooo . . . nothing happened. No mass attacks, or inside attacks from National Guard Troops. No attacks at state legislatures.


Hopefully the attack on the capital is a one time thing, and these people are going to slink back to their little compounds and moms basements to stew.

I think there are a few extremists out there that are playing the long game. It reminds me of how after 9/11, for the first few years after, every time September 11th rolled around, people would be afraid to fly and security would get ramped. The extremists aren't going to strike at the most obvious time. They will wait for the guard to come down.

The impulsive ones were probably scared off once they realized they can get some serious jail time. Those ones seemed to believe that if they started the coup process, that the rest of the country (whom they believe supported Trump and the election was a fraud), would join the cause.

[CaptainCrunch]

Maybe, I think there isn't going to be a great deal of healing in the States, I think its an impossible task.


If anything, I think the divide that Trump started is going to widen. Healing and bringing things together again is going to be the work of decades.


I'll be watching with some interest. Will Biden finally do something about Gun Control? Or will he leave that as a hot potato. Will Biden have the guts to go against US industry and oil in a major way, or will he look at the economic numbers and donor dollars.



There might be a short term bump in terms of rejuvenation, but America as a whole, is a split and angry country, and a mine field.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Maybe, I think there isn't going to be a great deal of healing in the States, I think its an impossible task.


If anything, I think the divide that Trump started is going to widen. Healing and bringing things together again is going to be the work of decades.


I'll be watching with some interest. Will Biden finally do something about Gun Control? Or will he leave that as a hot potato. Will Biden have the guts to go against US industry and oil in a major way, or will he look at the economic numbers and donor dollars.



There might be a short term bump in terms of rejuvenation, but America as a whole, is a split and angry country, and a mine field.

Yeah, a lot of people are going to expect instant results without realizing how much Trump set things back. It's the instant gratification generation after all.

I don't think Biden takes on any really controversial issues in the first term. That will come in the second term when re-election isn't an issue. The assumption is that he is going to be one-and-done given his age, so the goal will be to set up the next person running (likely Harris). His administration will be walking on eggshells the whole time I think.

[CaptainCrunch]

His backers will be dissapointed if he doesn't do major stuff with gun control, and enviromental.



If he egg shells those he gives a lot of ammunition in the next election.


He has to live up to the 100 million in a hundred days. I expect that the major manufacturers are going to get pressure calls that America's needs come first on Vaccines.



He has to get the economy moving and do something that's next to impossible which is improve the economies in the Rust Belt and in the South. So yeah, there's going to be a huge push on America first.


If he can't have a fast revitalization and get rid of Covid questions are going to pop up.

[Locke]

Who is 'Q?'

A fine question. This is my Q!

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

[troutman]

Thank goodness most people are decent, like Eugene Goodman.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1351919089439019010

[flamesfever]

I think if he does what he says i.e. govern for everyone, he is going to have to move slowly and cautiously. I think establishing a sense of stability first is his best move. I am somewhat pleased that they elected someone with as much political experience and grey hairs at this point. However, a great deal depends on who he surrounds himself with.

[Boblobla]

It is going to be a mess there for a while. There were 74 million people that voted for someone who is blatantly treasonous, racist, misogynistic and anti-science.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

I think if he does what he says i.e. govern for everyone, he is going to have to move slowly and cautiously.

Nope. That would be a mistake, a la Obama first term. I think they've learned their lesson. Take advantage of the fact that you have all 3 levels of lawmaking controlled and get some #### done. Don't just ignore the republicans if they want to make constructive suggestions, but don't allow them to do anything to gum up the works. The clock is ticking and you have less than 2 years to do a lot of policymaking.

[Lanny_McDonald]

The theory out of the intelligence community is that Q is someone from the failed Cambridge Analytica group who is using the same psychometric data set to leverage the paranoia and base impulses of that group. We'll see if Q dies off, or if it just shifts support to the Patriot Party, should it be birthed.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Mull

Ya, I don't' see any ill will or laughter to someone like this, peacefully protesting. Anti-Trump people had massive protests about Trump when he was first elected "not my president" was a real thing.

Now, from a moral perspective, those protest were protesting very different aspects of the two presidency's, but people tend to laugh at the protestors still supporting Trump when their "side" does it as well

What is this post even trying to say? Pretty sure it's funny because it's just one dude who drove 45 minutes to protest alone.

[FlamesAddiction]

The issue right now is how to best tame the pendulum. Pendulum swings from left to right are normal and beneficial for a functioning democracy. Right now, that pendulum is swinging violently with the amplitude on the right constantly gaining height. It's not in an organic equilibrium any more with outside forces adding momentum. There are some forces on the left trying to do the same thing, but for the most part, they haven't succeeded in moving the needle much.

I really think Biden's best bet is to be as moderate as possible to try to calm it down a bit, because the next pendulum swing to the right could break the whole system. It was uncomfortably close this time, and while things have regressed a little bit back to normal with Biden being elected, I think the overall trend is still heading in the far right direction.

I think he has to deliver quickly on the economy and COVID, but things like gun control and some environmental initiatives, can't be on the radar until that pendulum is back under control. If he strong arms anything like that, they will losing in 2024, I can almost guarantee it. A lot of the people who voted for him this time did so because he isn't Trump, not because they deep down inside wanted a Biden administration.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The issue right now is how to best tame the pendulum. Pendulum swings from left to right are normal and beneficial for a functioning democracy. Right now, that pendulum is swinging violently with the amplitude on the right constantly gaining height. It's not in an organic equilibrium any more with outside forces adding momentum. There are some forces on the left trying to do the same thing, but for the most part, they haven't succeed in moving the needle much.

I really think Biden's best bet is to be as moderate as possible to try to calm it down a bit, because the next pendulum swing to the right could break the whole system. It was uncomfortably close this time, and while things have regressed a little bit back to normal with Biden being elected, I think the overall trend is still heading in the far right direction.

I think he has to deliver quickly on the economy and COVID, but things like gun control and some environmental initiatives, can't be on the radar until that pendulum is back under control.

Right. Thing is: Always, forever and ever, the "left" is held responsible for moderating, for finding common ground, for "calming the pendulum" or whatever. So what happens? What was the reason the pendulum swung so far to the right this time? Oh, yeah, because Obama's almost entirely centrist policies completely muddled what the center is to Republicans.

#### calming the pendulum. Swing it as left as you can (as left as Biden is capable of, which if we're being honest is really not that left). And then let the chips fall where they may, because (like it is for the left now!) it is going to be a lot harder to swing far right if you're starting from a place left of center, than center or center-right.

I'm tired of the moderate nonsense that basically just seeks to placate the far right while erasing everyone left of center. It's some serious bull####, if I'm being blunt.

The pendulum is swinging violently? lol, with all due respect come on. Name the last time the pendulum swung violently to the left in the US. All it's been doing is slowing shifting it's center axis right. Time to put a plug in that nonsense.

The best bet is to cram in as much as you can in 2 years. Every last bit of it. Forget what the right thinks. This is Biden, not Bernie, Biden can roll every policy he can imagine in 2 years and they might swing things to the center. Maybe. What are people scared of? Centrism? Ooooo, boring centrism! Better be careful!

EDIT: This post comes off even cattier than usual reading it back, which is not directed at you FlamesAddiction, I'm just really really tired of the handholding line of thinking.

[flamesfever]

When the people witness the actions of Trump, and what went on the other day, do you not see the wisdom in cooling things down?