2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

I will be happy if they trade literally anyone for anything.

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Disagree. I prefer they trade literally anything for anyone. And I have prepared 43 posts to defend this position.

You two are simpletons! You clearly don't know anything about anyone and I honestly doubt anyone knows everything about anything.

They need to try and get something for nothing...the thing is that nothing is priceless and you can't get anything for nothing.

I blame Jankowski.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by FlameyMcFlameFace

Im not agreeing with these Johnny + 1st posts. Am I only one? I think its ridiculous to offer johnny + our 1st for PLD....

No it’s actually quite maddening seeing what some people are throwing around.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Nelson

I don’t see how the CBJ can fit Backlund and Hanifin under the salary cap. Do you know how they could do it?

Dubois, Nash and Harrington for Backlund and Hanifin and a pick or something maybe would work out cap wise?

It was a cheeky offer anyways

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

No it’s actually quite maddening seeing what some people are throwing around.

Do people realize what top line centers with ++ potential are worth?

You can count on one hand the number of 22 year old or younger centermen with the combination of past performance, tools, and potential that Dubois has.

Gaudreau + 1st isn't enough to get it done.

[David Struch]

Multiple sources confirmed both the Calgary Flames and Los Angeles Kings are also seriously interested in Dubois, though the timing of a potential trade is up in the air.

Could the Flames be prepared to part with Johnny Gaudreau or Sean Monahan in a deal for Dubois? Gaudreau has one-year left on his contract after this season, while Monahan has two years remaining once the 2020-21 season concludes. Gaudreau does not own any no-trade protection this season, while Monahan has a 10-team no-trade list.

Off-season trade speculation included the possibility of moving Gaudreau. Given the term on his contract, I’m not sure he’d be a key piece in a deal for Columbus.

Flames centre Elias Lindholm, drafted fifth-overall in 2013, enters this season coming off back-to-back 25+ goal seasons and the two most productive offensive seasons of his young career; he is also locked up for three seasons after this year and could be an option in a package for Dubois.

https://www.thefourthperiod.com/pagn...gUKCmA.twitter

I think Treliving is still trying to pull off his hockey deal with Bennett and Hanifin as the basis and that's what the Flames have on the table, along with Kylington + prospect + pick. (for a package of Pierre-Luc Dubois and David Savard)

Tkachuk - Dubois - Dubé
Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Lucic - Backlund - Mangiapane
Simon - Ryan - Leivo
Nordström

Giordano - Andersson
Välimäki - Savard
Mackey - Tanev
Nesterov

Markström
Rittich

[Bonded]

If Treliving can turn Bennett + Hanifin into Dubois the Flames are laughing.

I don't see Bennett as any kind of centerpiece in the return for Dubois unless Columbus has no other serious offers.
One of Monahan, Gaudreau, or Lindholm would be going in my opinion.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bonded

If Treliving can turn Bennett + Hanifin into Dubois the Flames are laughing.

I don't see Bennett as any kind of centerpiece in the return for Dubois unless Columbus has no other serious offers.
One of Monahan, Gaudreau, or Lindholm would be going in my opinion.

Agreed. Bennett might be a piece included with Monahan or Gaudreau to get it done but is not a centerpiece. Hanifin also makes little sense in terms of being a centerpiece.

[Two Fivenagame]

The flames current right side is their biggest weakness. Dube, Leivo, and Simon aren't exactly sending chills down the opposition's spine. Any assets that are available should go to improving that top 3 RW position instead of a marginal improvement to centre imo.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Do people realize what top line centers with ++ potential are worth?

You can count on one hand the number of 22 year old or younger centermen with the combination of past performance, tools, and potential that Dubois has.

Gaudreau + 1st isn't enough to get it done.

These trades always tend to be underwhelming for the team trading the young Center or top forward compared to what fan bases expect the return to be.

Don’t disagree that Gaudreau + 1st isn’t enough but that’s only because of his contract status.

Look at the closest recent examples:

Seguin (21 years old) + Peverely for Eriksson, Morrow, Reilly Smith

Ryan O’Reilly (23 years old) for Zadorov, Grigorenko, Compher, 2nd Round Pick

Hall (24 years old) for Larsson

Johansen (23 years old) for Seth Jones

Those are the frameworks for a deal and what it would look like. The discussion of Monahan + Hanifin or Lindholm + Hanifin being required is ridiculous.

[1_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

These trades always tend to be underwhelming for the team trading the young Center or top forward compared to what fan bases expect the return to be.

Don’t disagree that Gaudreau + 1st isn’t enough but that’s only because of his contract status.

Look at the closest recent examples:

Seguin (21 years old) + Peverely for Eriksson, Morrow, Reilly Smith

Ryan O’Reilly (23 years old) for Zadorov, Grigorenko, Compher, 2nd Round Pick

Hall (24 years old) for Larsson

Johansen (23 years old) for Seth Jones

Those are the frameworks for a deal and what it would look like. The discussion of Monahan + Hanifin or Lindholm + Hanifin being required is ridiculous.

Was Hall for Larsson 1 for 1?

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Two Fivenagame

The flames current right side is their biggest weakness. Dube, Leivo, and Simon aren't exactly sending chills down the opposition's spine. Any assets that are available should go to improving that top 3 RW position instead of a marginal improvement to centre imo.

The improvement is either incremental (Dubois > Monahan) if we use Monahan as the base, or if we are somehow able to acquire him without Monahan it becomes obvious how to bolster the RW- shift lindholm back and let Monahan-Dubois run as the top 6 Cs.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Do people realize what top line centers with ++ potential are worth?

You can count on one hand the number of 22 year old or younger centermen with the combination of past performance, tools, and potential that Dubois has.

Gaudreau + 1st isn't enough to get it done.

Yea cause 99 point wingers grow on trees..

[jg13]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Yea cause 99 point wingers grow on trees..

They don’t, but they walk as UFAs.

[howard_the_duck]

It's apples to oranges.

A 22-year old player with years of team control ahead of him and plays a premium position vs. a one dimensional winger that's close to UFA.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by FlameyMcFlameFace

Im not agreeing with these Johnny + 1st posts. Am I only one? I think its ridiculous to offer johnny + our 1st for PLD....

I think it’s ridiculous to offer anything more than Monahan 1 for 1. Columbus would have to add to PLD to get Gaudreau.

I’m sorry but the desire for change (which is warranted) has caused some people to grossly overvalue PLD and undervalue our own players.

PLD is very much a gamble. There’s no guarantee he turns out better than Monahan.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I think it’s ridiculous to offer anything more than Monahan 1 for 1. Columbus would have to add to PLD to get Gaudreau.

I’m sorry but the desire for change (which is warranted) has caused some people to grossly overvalue PLD and undervalue our own players.

PLD is very much a gamble. There’s no guarantee he turns out better than Monahan.

I think it has to do with this teams window. They have struggled to gain traction with this group. After they won a playoff series in 2015 Treliving was able to add an age appropriate core piece in Hamilton. After 3 years there and zero playoff wins the organization decided to make a blockbuster trade to retool the team.

Sending out 25 year old Hamilton, 26 year old Ferland and 20 year old Fox (who refused to sign) for 23 year old Lindholm and 21 year old Hanifin.

After 2 disappointing playoff exits the team could be in a position to do the same by moving 26 year old Monahan or 27 year old Gaudreau for 22 year old Dubois.

It is far from a rebuilding trade but makes the core of this team younger with a longer runway in my opinion. I would feel a lot better about giving 24 year old Tkachuk and Dubois 8 year deals than I would 29 year old Gaudreau and Monahan.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think it has to do with this teams window. They have struggled to gain traction with this group. After they won a playoff series in 2015 Treliving was able to add an age appropriate core piece in Hamilton. After 3 years there and zero playoff wins the organization decided to make a blockbuster trade to retool the team.

Sending out 25 year old Hamilton, 26 year old Ferland and 20 year old Fox (who refused to sign) for 23 year old Lindholm and 21 year old Hanifin.

After 2 disappointing playoff exits the team could be in a position to do the same by moving 26 year old Monahan or 27 year old Gaudreau for 22 year old Dubois.

It is far from a rebuilding trade but makes the core of this team younger with a longer runway in my opinion. I would feel a lot better about giving 24 year old Tkachuk and Dubois 8 year deals than I would 29 year old Gaudreau and Monahan.

I don’t think anyone who is against the offers being suggested are disagreeing with this thought process.

We are merely stating adding high end assets to an offer that already includes Johnny or Monny is ridiculous.

[Harry Lime]

Sportsnet is guessing along the lines of Turcotte and Kaliyev from the Kings or Kakko and Chyitl from the Rangers... so exorbitant.

[jg13]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

I don’t think anyone who is against the offers being suggested are disagreeing with this thought process.

We are merely stating adding high end assets to an offer that already includes Johnny or Monny is ridiculous.

The player you're getting in return has a great chance to become the best centre this franchise has had since Nieuwendyk and you're worried about giving up a UFA in 2 years winger + a 1st in what is about to be the most uncertain draft of all time.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think it has to do with this teams window. They have struggled to gain traction with this group. After they won a playoff series in 2015 Treliving was able to add an age appropriate core piece in Hamilton. After 3 years there and zero playoff wins the organization decided to make a blockbuster trade to retool the team.

Sending out 25 year old Hamilton, 26 year old Ferland and 20 year old Fox (who refused to sign) for 23 year old Lindholm and 21 year old Hanifin.

After 2 disappointing playoff exits the team could be in a position to do the same by moving 26 year old Monahan or 27 year old Gaudreau for 22 year old Dubois.

It is far from a rebuilding trade but makes the core of this team younger with a longer runway in my opinion. I would feel a lot better about giving 24 year old Tkachuk and Dubois 8 year deals than I would 29 year old Gaudreau and Monahan.

And Monahan fits Columbus’ window of going all in while they still have Werenski, Jones, and their goaltenders on nice deals.