2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Man, yall just can't help yourselves ushering Monahan out the door. I cannot belive you're all giving Love the satisfaction of planting the hate for Monahan seeds. For shame, all of you.

Getting PLD for Monahan isn't ushering him out.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Bonded

But PLD is not worth Monahan and Gaudreau though. He isn't that good.

Yeah, no one on this board has said that. Monahan + a 1st (value wise) is what most are proposing.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Man, yall just can't help yourselves ushering Monahan out the door. I cannot belive you're all giving Love the satisfaction of planting the hate for Monahan seeds. For shame, all of you.

Sorry, but where’s the hate for Monahan?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Yeah, no one on this board has said that. Monahan + a 1st (value wise) is what most are proposing.

More on Hfboards. I think one Jackes fan wanted Tkachuk and Monahan even lol

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Getting PLD for Monahan isn't ushering him out.

Sure it is. Adding a 1st round pick or a high end prospect is just insulting what he's done here further.


Just a reminder. He has 194 goals in 541 gp (Leads his draft class but thats a moving goalpost as MacKinnon has more points OA). 40 .... (not sure SO winning goals count here either) gwg out of those 194.

We pined away for decades for a scoring center, we have one , he does the job. And after 1 season (chaotic mess of one mind you) of off production hes now being so under valued as a player that we are yearning to trade futures for a player who hasn't even met Monahans stride in parallel career trajectories.

Its silly.even if you want to pull the "it's good asset management " card. Which has its merits, the valuations are still off.

[Knut]

The 2021 draft is reportedly weak and it will be hard to make assessments of talent due to very limited play and in person visits. I would definitely sacrifice this years first with Monahan for PLD. It extends the window for sure.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Sure it is. Adding a 1st round pick or a high end prospect is just insulting what he's done here further.


Just a reminder. He has 194 goals in 541 gp (Leads his draft class but thats a moving goalpost as MacKinnon has more points OA). 40 .... (not sure SO winning goals count here either) gwg out of those 194.

It all depends on where you project PLD. Monahan is a great goalscorer but he he is the equivalent of a high-end offensive dman which still has a lot of value but has their limitations.

PLD looks more like a ROR type center and should improve.

Would you rather have Monahan or ROR?

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Bonded

It all depends on where you project PLD. Monahan is a great goalscorer but he he is the equivalent of a high-end offensive dman which still has a lot of value but has their limitations.

PLD looks more like a ROR type center and should improve.

Would you rather have Monahan or ROR?

Monahan. ROR is almost 30.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Man, yall just can't help yourselves ushering Monahan out the door. I cannot belive you're all giving Love the satisfaction of planting the hate for Monahan seeds. For shame, all of you.

There is absolutely no hate. This is about adding a high end young player who has a lot more room to grow. Similar to the Hamilton trade the Flames moving a high end player for a younger one.

Based on how the last 2 playoffs ended I really felt a blockbuster was coming in the form of a Monahan or Gaudreau trade. I personally thought it was more likely Gaudreau was getting moved and that could still be the case. With Dubois trade request and the Jackets need for a center in return the discussion shifts to Monahan.

To me adding the top free agent goalie and getting some good value depth signings at forward leave me satisfied with the new look team but I still wouldn’t mind that blockbuster if it makes sense

[Sandman]

As someone in the “trade Mony for PLD” camp, I want to clarify that I’m still a big fan of Monahan’s. I still think he’s a viable #1C in this league, and there’s plenty of teams that would love to have him-I would love to have him AND PLD, but that’s not a likely scenario. Like the previous posters have said, it depends on how you see PLD in a year or two. Will he turn out to be Ryan Johansen, or will he be Tyler Sequin? 65pt C with size and toughness, or 90pt C with size and skating. I say that eithet way, he’ll be a big upgrade on Monahan. Like I said on the previous page, there’s a LOT he can do that Mony can’t, and his presence adds another dimension to our offence. This isn’t set in stone, it’s just my opinion.

[1qqaaz]

I really like Monahan, and I have strong reservations against Dubois' ceiling.

But I would trade Monahan + 1st/Zary (who I really like) for Dubois in a heartbeat.
In fact, I don't think Columbus would do this.

It all comes down to age, cap, and control. Would Dubois fetch a least first if he were a rental? Easily.
So if he offers 2+ years of control compared to Monahan, the extra value there is considerable. This is compounded by the fact that if Treliving is good at anything, it's extending RFAs.

Monahan will be due for a raise in a few years. Dubois, less so. Even now, Monahan makes almost 2 mill more per season. That would have been almost enough to sign someone like Vatanen or Haula.
Cap space is hugely valuable during these flat cap years.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Rather keep Sean and move Johnny and 1st for PLD

Here we go again..

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Sure it is. Adding a 1st round pick or a high end prospect is just insulting what he's done here further.


Just a reminder. He has 194 goals in 541 gp (Leads his draft class but thats a moving goalpost as MacKinnon has more points OA). 40 .... (not sure SO winning goals count here either) gwg out of those 194.

We pined away for decades for a scoring center, we have one , he does the job. And after 1 season (chaotic mess of one mind you) of off production hes now being so under valued as a player that we are yearning to trade futures for a player who hasn't even met Monahans stride in parallel career trajectories.

Its silly.even if you want to pull the "it's good asset management " card. Which has its merits, the valuations are still off.

you posted stats, and then went onto emotional bs because you're a Flames (Monahan...this iteration of Flames?) fan?

I ask you, are you a Flames fan or are you a Monahan fan?

Ask yourself that honest question, and then let me know.

Truth is, hockey is not just goals and points, and we have ample evidence of what he has accomplished in the playoffs which I would call a failure.

Dubois competes. Monahan and Gaudreau don't.

That;'s about all we need to know to move on. Now getting the right assets in return is what matters. Dubois + for Monahan and a first could very well potentially be a great deal.

And you should keep in mind here... critically... you're on a Flames fan forum. Don't let the "thanks" deter you. It doesn't mean you're "right".

[Mr.Coffee]

Also I would add, if I was CLB I'd do that trade. A great 2nd line centre poor mans 1st line centre and a 1st for a guy that doesn't want to be here???? sign me up.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I really like Monahan, and I have strong reservations against Dubois' ceiling.

But I would trade Monahan + 1st/Zary (who I really like) for Dubois in a heartbeat.
In fact, I don't think Columbus would do this.

It all comes down to age, cap, and control. Would Dubois fetch a least first if he were a rental? Easily.
So if he offers 2+ years of control compared to Monahan, the extra value there is considerable. This is compounded by the fact that if Treliving is good at anything, it's extending RFAs.

Monahan will be due for a raise in a few years. Dubois, less so. Even now, Monahan makes almost 2 mill more per season. That would have been almost enough to sign someone like Vatanen or Haula.
Cap space is hugely valuable during these flat cap years.

Disagree. You won't trade for Monahan and a 1st? Are you kidding? Monahan is phenomenal in faceoffs, great passer and can finish in tight. He'll also stand in front of the net. He truly is great. Plus a 1st?! Are you kidding me?!

You trade pouty pants mcgee all day for this. Hell I'd add a pick. Makes sense to me. Calgary can't win with Monahan in playoffs. Great. Maybe someone else can, well, CLB...... the guy doesn't want to play for you.

Honestly?!?! It honestly makes a pile of sense to me. It goes like this to me;

Monahan + 1st
Dubois + 3rd

or

Monahan + 3rd
Dubois

either of those are fair.

[djsFlames]

Yeah, I would do Mony + 2021 1st

And in a situation where the guy wants out, that is a pretty solid return.

Might be the change to the core that we need and extends the current window a bit.

[Redrum]

It's a gamble. Dubois certainly has more potential, being younger obviously. Don't know if he is better right now though. Well, no he's not. Monahan obviously had a bad year, and I don't see how a guy that is likely to produce less at this point, get's you an extra 1st/Zary.

[Ragnar]

It's not about the Money, it's about sending a (playoff) message.

This is an easy trade decision IMO. Money + 1st/Zary is a steal for PLD. Quite frankly Monahan doesn't get it done when the going gets tough. He's probably top 10 in league scoring within 10 feet of the net but otherwise he's Daymond Langkow, and that's being generous. He's an average skater, average playmaker and below average defensively. Find me a #1C worse than him who has won the cup in the past 10 years.

Dubois is a play driver, faster, more skilled and actually has a set of balls. Don't even get me started on the age/contract status comparison between these two guys either. Monny +1st is a no brainer for this kid. Anyone saying otherwise is an emotionally attached homer.

[Poe969]

I wonder if a trade with jersey could happen now that Crawford retired. I wonder what they would give up for a Rittich/Gaudreau combo right now? The Flames don't have to make a trade so the return would have to be a huge overpayment but it would give NJ a 1b goalie and an elite winger since they don't seem to have much depth on the wings.

[CalgaryFan1988]

I'm fine with trading anybody, as long as it makes sense. I just don't think the difference between Monahan and Dubois is a 1st.