2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Would you rather the + be a first or Zary?

A first. My dream is PLD and zary as our 1 , 2 punch down the middle for the next 7 years

[SeanCharles]

Overvaluing of PLD and undervaluing of Monahan is quite the thing these days.

I can understand adding to the deal on our end but a high end piece like Dube, Zary or a 1st rd pick.

Crazy talk IMO.

Am I alone in this?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Overvaluing of PLD and undervaluing of Monahan is quite the thing these days.

I can understand adding to the deal on our end but a high end piece like Dube, Zary or a 1st rd pick.

Crazy talk IMO.

Am I alone in this?

No. I'm with you.

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[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Overvaluing of PLD and undervaluing of Monahan is quite the thing these days.

I can understand adding to the deal on our end but a high end piece like Dube, Zary or a 1st rd pick.

Crazy talk IMO.

Am I alone in this?

Numbers don't lie and Monahan has tremendous numbers. No disrespect to PLD but Monahan is an upper echelon player.

[Bourque's Twin]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Overvaluing of PLD and undervaluing of Monahan is quite the thing these days.

I can understand adding to the deal on our end but a high end piece like Dube, Zary or a 1st rd pick.

Crazy talk IMO.

Am I alone in this?

I wouldn’t add those but I’d add Mangiapane or good prospect.

[Vinny01]

I am okay adding a 1st but there needs to be protections or better yet conditions.

2nd round pick that turns into a 1st if the Flames make it past the 1st round of the playoffs would be fine by me

I can live with a lottery or top 10 protected 1st as well.

No to Dube and I am thinking no to Zary as well

[DJones]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Overvaluing of PLD and undervaluing of Monahan is quite the thing these days.

I can understand adding to the deal on our end but a high end piece like Dube, Zary or a 1st rd pick.

Crazy talk IMO.

Am I alone in this?

I'd say PLD's age alone is worth that.

[Jiggy_12]

The Monahan over-value has always, and will always puzzle me.

He’s a good player that can score goals and that’s a valuable commodity, but he’s certainly not even close to an elite level player.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by DJones

I'd say PLD's age alone is worth that.

Add in a $5million cap hit during flat cap times and I don’t see a first added as an overpayment

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

The Monahan over-value has always, and will always puzzle me.

He’s a good player that can score goals and that’s a valuable commodity, but he’s certainly not even close to an elite level player.

He is the top goal scorer of his draft class...a pretty solid draft class

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

The Monahan over-value has always, and will always puzzle me.

He’s a good player that can score goals and that’s a valuable commodity, but he’s certainly not even close to an elite level player.

How much do you personally watch the Blue Jackets? Dubois has played 3 seasons and scored 61pts once and under 50 the other 2. He has seasons of 18, 27, and 20 goals. Why is Monahan who has averaged 29.4 goals per 82 games through 7 seasons and a a draft pick not worth this player? Monahan is a center who is strong in faceoffs and can score goals which are 2 great assets in a center.

Dubois certainly is not an elite player but he has the potential to be. To be perfectly honest after 3 seasons Monahan looked far more impressive than PLD has hence why Monahan got a 7 year deal over 6.3M and Dubois got 5M x2.

I do really like the upside of Dubois and would love for the Flames to swap a 26 year old for a 22 year old.

I am puzzled by the overvaluing of Dubois which I think is largely due to some fancy stats but mostly due to one huge performance against the center of the universe early in the bubble.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Overvaluing of PLD and undervaluing of Monahan is quite the thing these days.

I can understand adding to the deal on our end but a high end piece like Dube, Zary or a 1st rd pick.

Crazy talk IMO.

Am I alone in this?

I know you won't be alone, but we need to think ahead here. In 2 years we are trying to re-sign PLD to a new contract and is an RFA. If the Monahan/PLD swap doesn't go down we could very well see Monahan leave a year after. I am not saying he will, but this makes us younger and with a potential bonafide 1C rather than one that is a 1C on some days and a 2C on others.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

How much do you personally watch the Blue Jackets? Dubois has played 3 seasons and scored 61pts once and under 50 the other 2. He has seasons of 18, 27, and 20 goals. Why is Monahan who has averaged 29.4 goals per 82 games through 7 seasons and a a draft pick not worth this player? Monahan is a center who is strong in faceoffs and can score goals which are 2 great assets in a center.

Dubois certainly is not an elite player but he has the potential to be. To be perfectly honest after 3 seasons Monahan looked far more impressive than PLD has hence why Monahan got a 7 year deal over 6.3M and Dubois got 5M x2.

I do really like the upside of Dubois and would love for the Flames to swap a 26 year old for a 22 year old.

I am puzzled by the overvaluing of Dubois which I think is largely due to some fancy stats but mostly due to one huge performance against the center of the universe early in the bubble.

I wasn’t talking about in comparison to Dubois (which I realize is the topic right now). I was more making a general comment about the opinion towards Monahan in general.

I’m in no way doubting he is a good, valuable player. I like him on this team. I just feel that he gets looked at with blinders more so than anyone else on this team. I just don’t get it, but I realize and respect the fact I’m probably in the minority.

[kukkudo]

Rather keep Sean and move Johnny and 1st for PLD


Tkachuk - Monahan - Lindholm
Dube - PLD - Leivo
Mangiapane - Backlund - Bennett
Lucic - Ryan - TBD

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Rather keep Sean and move Johnny and 1st for PLD

I think they need a center coming back

[Sandman]

PLD does everything that Monahan gets ragged on for NOT doing. He’s big, mean, fast, physical, plays a 200ft game, and can drive play. I love Mony, but like I said earlier, he’s more of a 60pt guy than an 80pt guy. PLD will be a lot like a nastier Sequin, and his presence could elevate Johnny quite a bit, who’s already trying to carry too much of the load offensively.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I think they need a center coming back

Ah true nevermind.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

I wasn’t talking about in comparison to Dubois (which I realize is the topic right now). I was more making a general comment about the opinion towards Monahan in general.

I’m in no way doubting he is a good, valuable player. I like him on this team. I just feel that he gets looked at with blinders more so than anyone else on this team. I just don’t get it, but I realize and respect the fact I’m probably in the minority.

I honestly don’t think you are in the minority and believe that most on this board feel Monahan is not a true #1 center. The last time it felt like he was close to being a #1 C was before he, Gaudreau, and Lindholm cooled off in the 18/19 season. Most will recall that before they went on their bye week Monahan and Gaudreau were both pacing for over 100pts and Lindholm in the 90’s.

A brutal playoffs followed up by a lackluster season has many fans souring.

Most on this board think Lindholm is the #1C and we are constantly thinking of proposals to trade Monahan. If he was a legit number 1C those suggestions would be shot down as quickly as Tkachuk trade suggestions do today.

[dammage79]

Man, yall just can't help yourselves ushering Monahan out the door. I cannot belive you're all giving Love the satisfaction of planting the hate for Monahan seeds. For shame, all of you.

[Bonded]

But PLD is not worth Monahan and Gaudreau though. He isn't that good.