2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yeah, now that Barzal is signed who is the best center they could for PLD? I wonder if Tampa would take PLD+ for Point and save some cap

Columbus adds significantly to that deal. Point has had a 40 goal 90 point season and was an absolute stud in the playoffs. Actually I see no chance they entertain that to save 1.75M on the cap

[Knut]

If you can turn Monahan into Dubois you shift the window a few extra years. You need to do something like this or next year it starts to be a retool/rebuild.

[Sandman]

Let's not forget that it's a young man's game, more than ever. If CBJ is willing to take 26 year old Monahan (who's been more of a 60 pt center than an 80 pt center), for a 22 year-old PLD, then they are going to want at least one quality young player to balance out the deal, maybe two. Those 4 years are worth something, plus we're getting a faster, more play-driving guy, who will be an 80-90pt guy in a few years.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Knut

If you can turn Monahan into Dubois you shift the window a few extra years. You need to do something like this or next year it starts to be a retool/rebuild.

I agree it would remind me of the deal with the Hurricanes where the Flames moved 27 year old Ferland and 25 year old Hamilton and Prospect Fox (who had 1, 3 and 2 years of control) for 23 year old Lindholm and 21 year old Hanifin who were both signed to 6 year deals.

I feel that deal reset the Flames window. Imagine having a Hamilton extension hanging over the team this season in addition to likely losing Ferland for nothing and having to deal Fox for 2x 2nd like the Canes did

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Let's not forget that it's a young man's game, more than ever. If CBJ is willing to take 26 year old Monahan (who's been more of a 60 pt center than an 80 pt center), for a 22 year-old PLD, then they are going to want at least one quality young player to balance out the deal, maybe two. Those 4 years are worth something, plus we're getting a faster, more play-driving guy, who will be an 80-90pt guy in a few years.

There is nothing to say that PLD will be a 80-90 point guy, and they aren’t exactly in a position of power with moving him. If they don’t see the value we do in Monahan you don’t keep adding.

[Nelson]

https://twitter.com/iyer_prashanth/s...288244742?s=21

This writer from The Athletic Detroit, who seems like a pretty intelligent guy, says a fair trade would be PLD for Monahan + 2021 1st.

Dubois is already a better player and younger, so the Flames add a 1st rounder to get PLD.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by MrMike

There is nothing to say that PLD will be a 80-90 point guy, and they aren’t exactly in a position of power with moving him. If they don’t see the value we do in Monahan you don’t keep adding.

Well, if we use that logic, then it could be said that there's no way Alexis Lafrenniere will put up 80pts. Or any other young player. PLD was drafted 3rd overall, and was talked about as being an 80-90pt player, so he has as much a chance as anyone. He already put up 64pts the year before last.

And that was my point-how much is Mony really worth? At 26, is he considered one of the top-20 best Centers in the league? Is he as valuable playing away from Johnny? Would our team be better if we had a prototypical play-driving, fast first line C?

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Nelson

https://twitter.com/iyer_prashanth/s...288244742?s=21

This writer from The Athletic Detroit, who seems like a pretty intelligent guy, says a fair trade would be PLD for Monahan + 2021 1st.

Dubois is already a better player and younger, so the Flames add a 1st rounder to get PLD.

I do that in a heartbeat. We ain't drafting a PLD anytime soon.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Nelson

https://twitter.com/iyer_prashanth/s...288244742?s=21

This writer from The Athletic Detroit, who seems like a pretty intelligent guy, says a fair trade would be PLD for Monahan + 2021 1st.

Dubois is already a better player and younger, so the Flames add a 1st rounder to get PLD.

Seems like an absolute no-brainer so I’m thinking that might not be enough

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Nelson

https://twitter.com/iyer_prashanth/s...288244742?s=21

This writer from The Athletic Detroit, who seems like a pretty intelligent guy, says a fair trade would be PLD for Monahan + 2021 1st.

Dubois is already a better player and younger, so the Flames add a 1st rounder to get PLD.

I think the value is pretty close there (doesn't mean either team likes the deal, just that it's probably pretty balanced)

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

I believe it happens more than often with balanced team scoring than superstar scoring. For an example look at Chicago in 10, 13 and 15. LA in 14 and 12. Boston in 11. Even Pitt in 16 and 17 (still decent numbers by Crosby but nothing earth shattering).

I think its a given you need depth to win a Cup. But more often than not the team with superstars AND depth win. Pretty rare for teams to win without elite players.

Every team you listed had superstars in Kane, Toews, Keith. Kopitar, Doughty. Crosby, Malkin. These are some of the most dominant players over the past decade.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by neo45

Seems like an absolute no-brainer so I’m thinking that might not be enough

I’m thinking that may be right, but I’m still ok with it. We all know how important the C position is....

[MrMike]

Would you rather the + be a first or Zary?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Would you rather the + be a first or Zary?

The 2021 1st.

Zary looks like he wants to be a Calgary Flame for a long time. Plus, the 2021 draft will probably be a crapshoot because of the current circumstances. That would be the draft to have more picks in later rounds than having a top 32 pick.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by neo45

Seems like an absolute no-brainer so I’m thinking that might not be enough

I think that is plenty.

For instance I would not want to add Pelletier and would also not feel that great adding Zary to Monahan to get PLD.

I go back to my original deal of Monahan+Hanifin for PLD+Savard.

Flames D Corp long term takes a hit but they remain competitive in the short term. Ultimately they get PLD who they plan to keep for a decade.

Jackets fill their top line C position and add a core piece on their blueline. Jackets would have the 4th, 6th, and 13th pick in 2013 in Monahan, Jones and Domin in addition to the 5th and 8th picks in 2015 in Werenski and Hanifin.

Atkinson is a poor mans Gaudreau and would likely help Monahan maintain his 25-30 goal 55-65pt pace he typically plays to.

Flames future core starts to take shape in the form of Dubois, Tkachuk, Dube, Lindholm, Mangipane, Andersson, Valimaki

They keep Gaudreau for at least this next year and hope he bounces back. They could find out next offseason if he has any interest in an extension and if not they get his 5 team list and trade him to the highest of those bidders. This would leave plenty of cap space to Re-sign Tkachuk, Dubois, Dube, and Valimaki to long term deals

[Sandman]

Yeah this years draft was deep as hell, not sure we end up with a player of Zary’s talent this year.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Would you rather the + be a first or Zary?

I’d move the 1st and keep Zary. First, money is worth more now than later. The same principle applies to hockey assets. Second, if the Flames were to get Dubois for Monahan and Zary/1st, they’d be a better team and likely looking at a pick in the 20s in 2021. That’s what Zary was, but I haven’t heard about the 2021 draft being as deep as the 2020 draft. Third, Zary made a very deep Team Canada.

[Vinny01]

I think back to those Anderson rumors from the beginning of the offseason and had to think based on the return that Monahan was the target for the Jackets but it would have been Columbus adding a significant piece like one of their goalies who was rumored to be of interest to the Flames. Obviously Jarmo was looking at Monahan as their 2nd line C to PLD but I could definitely still see some interest there from the Jsckets but in this scenario the Flames add

[Mr.Coffee]

Monahan and a 1st seems fair to me actually, maybe a slight overpay. Maybe if they added like a 3rd or 4th back then yeah.

There’s some overrating of Dubois going on here and I’m usually the one saying we overrate our own players normally. Like, Monahan is still pretty damn good. It’s just... the playoffs... he will never get it done.

[CsInMyBlood]

I'd do Monahan and Columbus can choose a first or Zary, without thought.

Monahan needs to go, Dubois back would be unreal.