Ocean Wiesblatt discussion

[goflamesgo18]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

The funny thing is, that viewpoint is just going to make these rules need to be in place longer than if everybody just respected them and made some personal sacrifices for a month of lockdown. The more compliant we all are, the quicker these rules go away.

It really bothers me that people think these rules are ridiculous, when for somebody like me, who has had my business closed for 5 of the last 12 months, are relying on them in order to get my livelihood back (or at least some form of it back by being able to open my doors with capacity restrictions).

Sorry that it bothers you. And very sorry your business is closed. But I also disagree with the lockdown. Your business should be open. If Wal Mart can be open making more profit than ever (while following guidelines) why cant every business be open if they follow the same guidlines?

[the-rasta-masta]

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

Sorry that it bothers you. And very sorry your business is closed. But I also disagree with the lockdown. Your business should be open. If Wal Mart can be open making more profit than ever (while following guidelines) why cant every business be open if they follow the same guidlines?

They should be able to be open, because the spread isn't occurring there. But people like Ocean are out there spreading the virus so much that our health care is at a critical bursting point, so hard decisions needed to be made, and I'm personally happy to close if its going to help stop people dying.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Ocean was totally in the wrong here and made a complete fool of himself. His Facebook post just further solidified his stupidity in this situation.

However, can we stop with the in-direct insults to his mother for naming him "Ocean"? Literally by making fun of his name, you're attacking his parents (specifically his mother) for naming him that and his mother - who has nothing short of an admirable story and is beloved by the entire Calgary community - doesn't deserve that.

But yes, Ocean is a complete idiot for the way he handled everything.

Nah, come on. Lighten up. Plenty of admirable people all over the world have given their kids stupid names.

Just like the few hundred thousand kids out there now with stupid spellings of normal names. I mean sure, those parents should be drawn and quartered in the public square, but that's a discussion for another day.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

Wow. All for not wanting to comply with insanely ridiculous covid rules OUTDOORS. Tazing him on ice has a better chance of killing him than covid, by a pretty huge margin. And the chances of spreading covid (the virus with 99.97% survival rate) while outside is pretty slim. What a waste of resources and tax money having those cops there in the first place.

No, none of the actions of the officers was related to the enforcement of Covid rules.

It was the individual not listening to the officer once he was getting a ticket. At that point he was in violation of a very reasonable law that has been upheld by the Supreme Court.

I agree with you that the police escalating the level of force was not the beat idea and waiting it out may have been better but once Ocean refused to identify himself he compels the officers to arrest him.

Also Covid does not have a 99.97% survival rate, it is a disease that has currently killed .03% of the worlds population (likely more as not all areas test all dead)

[goflamesgo18]

Originally Posted by GGG

No, none of the actions of the officers was related to the enforcement of Covid rules.

It was the individual not listening to the officer once he was getting a ticket. At that point he was in violation of a very reasonable law that has been upheld by the Supreme Court.

I agree with you that the police escalating the level of force was not the beat idea and waiting it out may have been better but once Ocean refused to identify himself he compels the officers to arrest him.

Also Covid does not have a 99.97% survival rate, it is a disease that has currently killed .03% of the worlds population (likely more as not all areas test all dead)

Ok. His resistance was non violent and he was questioning them about the arrest and they were getting frustrated very quick in my opinion.

And the .03% mortality rate (which makes it 99.97% survival rate if my math is right) isnt completely covid related but also due to underlying medical conditions.

Just saying.. im sure this kid sees it this way and hes very frustrated. He wanted a real explanation from the officers why he couldnt play hockey outside.

[Cain]

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

Sorry that it bothers you. And very sorry your business is closed. But I also disagree with the lockdown. Your business should be open. If Wal Mart can be open making more profit than ever (while following guidelines) why cant every business be open if they follow the same guidlines?

I'm sorry you disagree with the lockdown. I hope you still agree with abiding by lockdown restrictions and following law enforcement requests otherwise you may end up like poor Ocean here.


The whole point of these restrictions is so that spread is ideally driven down. Then more businesses can open up again. These are seemingly the same groups crying about needing less restrictions, freedom and other idiocy while simultaneously being the group that prolongs the entire situation. If we collectively did adhere to these sometimes arbitrary decisions, which may drive down our case load, then more things can return to normal. Many countries who are seeing the least economic impact are the ones that have handled spread the best.


I feel really badly for all the people affected by business closures and reduced revenues due to capacity restrictions or just general reluctance of the public during the pandemic. Putting up the "good fight" for freedom around an outdoor rink incident doesn't do anything to help the issue, it just shows how entitled you are.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

Ok. His resistance was non violent and he was questioning them about the arrest and they were getting frustrated very quick in my opinion.

And the .03% mortality rate (which makes it 99.97% survival rate if my math is right) isnt completely covid related but also due to underlying medical conditions.

Just saying.. im sure this kid sees it this way and hes very frustrated. He wanted a real explanation from the officers why he couldnt play hockey outside.

How long do the By-law and CPS have to sit and talk to the kid. Seems like 39 others got it. By all accounts this went on for close to an hour. At some point enough is enough, you are wasting everybody's time. He was given lots of opportunities but decided to keep digging. At some point you become responsible for the decisions you make.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Nah, come on. Lighten up. Plenty of admirable people all over the world have given their kids stupid names.

Just like the few hundred thousand kids out there now with stupid spellings of normal names. I mean sure, those parents should be drawn and quartered in the public square, but that's a discussion for another day.

Hope you're not referring to X Æ A-12, the most legendary name of all time.

I'm more protective in this situation because the mother is a beloved local and has such an incredible story.

However, yes, I do agree with you.

Hell, my sister named my niece "Ayi'dah" (pronounced "I-ate-ah"). I've already given her more name-jabbing in her first 18 months of life than she'll get throughout all of school.

[troutman]

Frank Zappa once said that even though he named his kids Moon Unit and Dweezel, it was their last name that would cause them problems.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

Ok. His resistance was non violent and he was questioning them about the arrest and they were getting frustrated very quick in my opinion.

And the .03% mortality rate (which makes it 99.97% survival rate if my math is right) isnt completely covid related but also due to underlying medical conditions.

Just saying.. im sure this kid sees it this way and hes very frustrated. He wanted a real explanation from the officers why he couldnt play hockey outside.

I’m not a fan of the end of the police response but we don’t see their response to bylaw or when the officers first show up or why 39/40 people complied. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect ocean to behave like the other 97.5% of the people.

The Covid stats you are referencing are grossly misleading and used to down play the severity of Covid. They arent using mortality rate they are % of world population who have died so far, the vast majority of whom are not yet infected.

.03% is not the mortality rate. .25% -1% is the mortality rate.

.03% is the number that has died so far. Ie 1.7 million / 7.5 billion people

If you look at New York City .25% of the population has died of Covid and the disease is still spreading with no herd immunity yet.

[goflamesgo18]

Originally Posted by GGG

I’m not a fan of the end of the police response but we don’t see their response to bylaw or when the officers first show up or why 39/40 people complied. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect ocean to behave like the other 97.5% of the people.

The Covid stats you are referencing are grossly misleading and used to down play the severity of Covid. They arent using mortality rate they are % of world population who have died so far, the vast majority of whom are not yet infected.

.03% is not the mortality rate. .25% -1% is the mortality rate.

.03% is the number that has died so far. Ie 1.7 million / 7.5 billion people

If you look at New York City .25% of the population has died of Covid and the disease is still spreading with no herd immunity yet.

Ocean could have been more compliant but I can understand why he wasnt.

And Im not sure what numbers to believe. So many lies out there about everything going on right now.

[Redrum]

That he thinks he's righteous and fighting for the people is what's hilarious. Put this piece of #### in jail for life. Your rights end when they infringe on somebody else.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by troutman

Frank Zappa once said that even though he named his kids Moon Unit and Dweezel, it was their last name that would cause them problems.

Duncan Jones says "hi."

[FusionX]

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

And the .03% mortality rate (which makes it 99.97% survival rate if my math is right) isnt completely covid related but also due to underlying medical conditions.

I don't understand this idea. Most people dying from COVID are older, and have more comorbidities, yes. However, it doesn't change the fact that they died because they contracted COVID while having these comorbidities. It's like if someone falls and fractures a hip, and then ultimately dies because they have complications from their comorbidities. Sure, their death isn't completely related to the hip fracture, but how is it not related?

The people I see dying from it in hospital most often do have comorbidities but that doesn't change the fact that contracting COVID has led to them dying. Similarly, all the unfortunate elderly who have passed away in a nursing home outbreak, would you say it isn't COVID related? They all have/had the same comorbidities before this outbreak, would they have all died within days of each other without COVID?

This is not even taking into account all the people who are being affected that DON'T have COVID but are finding it hard to access medical care, or are scared enough of getting COVID that they don't seek medical care soon enough.

The kicker is this however, there are ways to mitigate this. Ways to try and prevent people from contracting and spreading the virus. Ways to try and not inundate our healthcare system. But instead, people point to the numbers and go, "well they didn't technically die of COVID, so who cares?"

If your neighbor tripped on a patch of sidewalk you didn't bother to shovel and maintain, broke a hip and then ultimately died because of their comorbidities, would you look their family in the eye and say, "Well, damn, sorry they broke a hip but it's their own fault for having all these comorbidities, it's got nothing to do with me not cleaning off my sidewalk." It's a rhetorical question, but the one that truly begs asking is if this is not ok, then why is it different for COVID?

[goflamesgo18]

Originally Posted by Redrum

That he thinks he's righteous and fighting for the people is what's hilarious. Put this piece of #### in jail for life. Your rights end when they infringe on somebody else.

This obviously cant be a serious post lol. What happened to our rights to play hockey outside? What piece of #### or pieces of #### need to be thrown in jail for life for infringing on those rights?

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

This obviously cant be a serious post lol. What happened to our rights to play hockey outside? What piece of #### or pieces of #### need to be thrown in jail for life for infringing on those rights?

Not really, it was more of an anti-anti-masker rant than directed at him.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

What happened to our rights to play hockey outside?

Public rink.

Funded and maintained by the community.

Not his.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

Ocean could have been more compliant but I can understand why he wasnt.

And Im not sure what numbers to believe. So many lies out there about everything going on right now.

The great thing about numbers is you can look them up and do the math yourself. Blowing off GGG's post because it counters your narrative shows a lack of critical thinking. So go do the math yourself, so you can stop saying things like "I'm not sure what numbers to believe." And that may be your first step to realizing that this is something that needs to be dealt with with restrictions that you don't think are necessary.

[---Hatrick---]

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

This obviously cant be a serious post lol. What happened to our rights to play hockey outside? What piece of #### or pieces of #### need to be thrown in jail for life for infringing on those rights?

Clearly, we’re allowed to still use the rinks man lol. When 40+ people are all on the same sheet of ice, it becomes a problem and becomes an “outdoor gathering” which is not allowed right now.

They were asked to shut er down, and he could have done just that and called it a day and probably would not have even received a ticket if he had complied

[goflamesgo18]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Public rink.

Funded and maintained by the community.

Not his.

Public.

So should our taxes be reduced if we cant use public/community recreational areas? Or if we can only use them at very limited capacity?