[GT] US election - It's 2020, what could possibly go wrong?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I've said it before, I will say it again: Break America up. Let the loons have the south back (of course with no nukes), let them have Jesusland or Trumpland or whatever else they want to call it, we'll all watch it become poorer than Mexico while the rest gets on to being a prosperous and forward thinking country. I don't think there's any salvaging America as is.

This isn't correct, though. America isn't broken up geographically. The divide is rural / urban. You'd still have roughly the same proportion of loons, they'd just all be in the Pennsylvania / Washington / Michigan / Upstate New York etc. countryside.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'm kind of astounded he hasn't given up yet. There is no path to victory for him. Move along, it's over.

His only path to keeping power is to keep stirring the pot to break down the institutions so that the law becomes meaningless. How far and for how long can he bend the system until it breaks... This was always about projecting power and sowing doubt.

It's still a long shot, but I think it was the plan all along. The legal route was never feasible.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

This isn't correct, though. America isn't broken up geographically. The divide is rural / urban. You'd still have roughly the same proportion of loons, they'd just all be in the Pennsylvania / Washington / Michigan / Upstate New York etc. countryside.

If you offered them a country with no "libs" I'm sure they'd move. It's their dream, and there it would be for them.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Also, even by Giuliani's standards this current presser is ####ed in the head.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1329482404684238848

[FlamesAddiction]

Wow, he is so full of ####, that he is starting to burst at the seams.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by New Era

This is consistent with the language being tossed around on Parler. There are a cadre of conservatives that want to start "cleansing" the country of Democrats, liberals, college professors, and anyone sympathetic to their cause. This is some of the scariest #### I've seen since moving to the states and really gives me pause about the decision. I can't believe people have got to the point of suggesting mass murder on a national level. The empire is crumbling.

I mentioned this long ago in the thread, that people in positions such as yours should be cautious about what's going on and are typical targets of violence in this type of movement. I hope you and your colleagues are keeping mindful of the negative possibilities and stay safe during these tense times.

[PsYcNeT]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1329447806197780484

[ah123]

Don’t even know what to say anymore

President Trump has invited the leaders of Michigan’s Republican-controlled state legislature to meet him in Washington on Friday, according to a person familiar with those plans, as the president and his allies continue an extraordinary campaign to overturn the results of an election he lost.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ying-election/

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by New Era

This is consistent with the language being tossed around on Parler. There are a cadre of conservatives that want to start "cleansing" the country of Democrats, liberals, college professors, and anyone sympathetic to their cause. This is some of the scariest #### I've seen since moving to the states and really gives me pause about the decision. I can't believe people have got to the point of suggesting mass murder on a national level. The empire is crumbling.

Sadly, I think this sort of thing is inevitable, and not restricted to just the right wing (or left wing) loonies.



There's an opinion piece in the Washington Post today with the title "If the losing party won't accept defeat, democracy is dead." I would argue that the next link in that sound chain of reasoning is "If democracy is dead, war has begun."


As others have already pointed out, a civil war based on clean geographical boundaries is impossible. The alternative, therefore, is a narrower form of guerilla warfare, including acts of domestic terrorism and assassinations. These are really the only courses of action a population can take when democratic institutions fail, they do not consent to being governed by those in power, and they can't raise an army.



If Trump succeeds in convincing enough of his supporters (or just enough of the right kind of his supporters) that democracy is dead, that belief will justify "freedom fighting," including acts that might otherwise be considered domestic terrorism. Similarly, if Trump succeeds in overturning democracy and seizing autocratic power, that will signal to those on the left that democracy is dead, and that belief will justify their engaging in exactly the same sorts of acts. In both cases, those acts would be justified not only against the government in question, but the supporters of that government.



At the end of the day, when a population decides that the rules of the game they've agreed to have been broken or no longer apply, we go back to the tried and true rules that have always underpinned governments throughout human history: force (i.e. violence and war).



This is why the game the Republicans are playing is exceedingly dangerous. The longer it goes on, the more likely someone decides to take dramatic "patriotic" action. Then one thing leads to another...

[Lanny_McDonald]

They are going to nullify the election.

https://twitter.com/user/status/132948491281517364

[Poster]

Originally Posted by ah123

Don’t even know what to say anymore



https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ying-election/

From the article

After the meeting, Trump called one of the two GOP members, Monica Palmer. Palmer said that Trump did not pressure her to change her vote.
“His concern was about my safety, and that was really touching. He is a really busy guy, and to have his concern about my safety was appreciated,” she told The Post.
“It was not pressure. It was genuine concern for my safety,” Palmer said.


What’s scarier, the President using mafia intimidation tactics or that she is willfully oblivious to it?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by New Era

They are going to nullify the election.

https://twitter.com/user/status/132948491281517364

Dead tweet.

[peter12]

Historically and philosophically, a forceful disregard for the will of the electorate is grounds for armed insurrection.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by New Era

They are going to nullify the election.

https://twitter.com/user/status/132948491281517364

What was the tweet, now that it is deleted?

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Poster

From the article

After the meeting, Trump called one of the two GOP members, Monica Palmer. Palmer said that Trump did not pressure her to change her vote.
“His concern was about my safety, and that was really touching. He is a really busy guy, and to have his concern about my safety was appreciated,” she told The Post.
“It was not pressure. It was genuine concern for my safety,” Palmer said.


What’s scarier, the President using mafia intimidation tactics or that she is willfully oblivious to it?

I’m just calling to make sure you and you’re family are ok. I’d hate for something to happen to them...

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by peter12

Historically and philosophically, a forceful disregard for the will of the electorate is grounds for armed insurrection.

Isn't this basically what the 2nd amendment is all about?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by edslunch

What was the tweet, now that it is deleted?

David Corn posted a response to the Trump legal team and their strategy in attacking very specific blocks of votes and in specific states, and acknowledging the intent is to delegitimize the over all vote. Distilling the two tweets, it is becoming clear the intent is to nullify the vote. Period. If they can get enough swing states vote to be considered delegitimate, they bring down the whole house of cards. Very scary which is why he may have taken it down.

[sleepingmoose]

Originally Posted by edslunch

I’m just calling to make sure you and you’re family are ok. I’d hate for something to happen to them...

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Isn't this basically what the 2nd amendment is all about?

I believe Joe Biden's literal quote from his stump speech was, "you need to get over that idea. You need an F15 with hellfire missiles to take on the government. An AK-47 isn't going to help you".

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I believe Joe Biden's literal quote from his stump speech was, "you need to get over that idea. You need an F15 with hellfire missiles to take on the government. An AK-47 isn't going to help you".

Worked for the Vietnamese... might still work.