[GT] US election - It's 2020, what could possibly go wrong?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

The problem is they don't have enough going on in their own lives. They work dead end jobs or live in dead end rural towns and have settled in some way, and need a larger purpose to cling on to. People want that sense of purpose, even if its devoid of substance and truth.

Trump offers them that cause to get behind, even if its largely based in fantasy. It gives them that outlet to feel empowered in a way and avoid taking responsibility for their lives because they can put that blame on conspiracies and oppression of the system.

There's a reason why many educated folk don't fall into trumps trap and have opted for Biden. They have given themselves options in life, they have the ability to realize their own individual purpose and don't rely on someone giving them one, and in many ways have simply learned enough to know better and aren't so easily fooled.

It may be brutal but its no coincidence when you look at the demographics on each side. Trump is the mouthpiece for that victim mentality that a lot of these people feel but refuse to take responsibility for because it's easier to point the finger elsewhere in the form of labels and bigotry.

I don't know if I buy the victim hood argument simply on the Trump side. I think any person who feels they are a victim will listen to anyone with a promise. For example there is plenty of victim mentality from young people, in college or not, that are struggling and blame the older generations. The college debt, lack of jobs, unable to rent of buy a house etc. And they vote overwhelmingly Democrat blaming the Republicans for being the party of the rich.


So it depends on your situation and everyone blames everyone. Factory workers are mad that their factory is gone and officer workers are mad that their 4 years degree MAY get them a $30,000 job.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The unemployment rate was low and within the normal range for an industrialized country. There isn't anything unique about 2016 that jumps out. Every generation thinks they have it tougher than the previous I guess.

But Trump wasn't the first candidate to be an "outisider", nor was he the first president to never have held an elected government position before. I recall a time not that long ago that having military experience was almost essential.

Spoiler!

While true the unemployment rate doesn't always tell the story. For example, if you're expended all your EI benefits, you're no longer unemployed. Obama extended EI benefits to a maximum of 99 weeks in some cases and people still expended all that. And again, I'm not sure the generational argument fits in this case because it is the middle aged people 35-50 who are being unemployed, their jobs are phased out or they're just not able to re-train, technology has passed them by.

The generational people that are upset at the previous generation today? They are voting overwhelmingly Democrat.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Wormius

I kind of liken it to people who write books on how to be successful. Why would somebody who can be successful in real-life, waste their time writing a book? Similarly, why would you go on a TV show to fund small-time entrepreneurs, instead of working a real VC gig in Silicon Valley?

Maybe they enjoy it? Or see it as a sort of philanthropy? Heck, maybe it's just vanity. But it's not like you give up all your other activities.

[calgaryred]

Another roadblock for Trump's attempt to cheat himself another four years

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-...tors-1.5802587

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[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Perhaps, but this fits well within a prominent stereotype tbat is substantially flawed: the idea of the businessman savant who is capable of mastering every skill and trade. It's nonsense.

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Sure, but Trump wasn't exactly a great businessman. The numerous bankruptcies and failed businesses, combined with the significant financial support from his father, suggest that his record as a businessman is poor as well.

I think its reasonable to assume someone who successfully managed a large and complex business organization might be skilled at managing a large and complex government. They seem like related skills to me. Bloomberg, for example.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

While true the unemployment rate doesn't always tell the story. For example, if you're expended all your EI benefits, you're no longer unemployed.

I am not sure if I understand this sentence. Are you saying that unemployment statistics only include people accepting EI benefits? I could be wrong, but I don't think that is true. I know for sure it isn't true in every country.

And again, I'm not sure the generational argument fits in this case because it is the middle aged people 35-50 who are being unemployed, their jobs are phased out or they're just not able to re-train, technology has passed them by.

The generational people that are upset at the previous generation today? They are voting overwhelmingly Democrat.

If they are looking at past generations and thinking that they are in a unique situation, then my comment stands. This has been going on since the Industrial Revolution. It's what happens when you go full capitalism. Electing a guy like Donald Trump is the absolute worst thing they could have thought of. Tired of losing your jobs because of immigrants and foreign trade? I know, let's elect the business man with a history of hiring undocumented cheap labour and buying steel from China! Great idea!

[flames_fan_down_under]

It seems to be a wild race to the finish to see who can be the biggest Trump d**k stroker of the bunch. At first it was Lindsay Graham aiming to be the belle of the ball, Lou Dobbs and Sean Hannity have put their best foot forward to see if the glass slipper fits, now we have Rick DeSantis putting on his best orange bronzer and crossing his fingers hoping he can get to third base while Devin Nunes sits in a dark corner of a room smoking a cigarette hoping to watch.

[Dion]

This is worth watching if you need a good laugh

However, Vaughn claims Trump has a “constitutional remedy to his dilemma” and, if Trump refuses to concede and contests the results in court to prevent them from being certified, the U.S. Constitution’s 12th Amendment will refer the decision to the House.

https://www.facebook.com/shanevaughn...type=2&theater

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

It seems to be a wild race to the finish to see who can be the biggest Trump d**k stroker of the bunch. At first it was Lindsay Graham aiming to be the belle of the ball, Lou Dobbs and Sean Hannity have put their best foot forward to see if the glass slipper fits, now we have Rick DeSantis putting on his best orange bronzer and crossing his fingers hoping he can get to third base while Devin Nunes sits in a dark corner of a room smoking a cigarette hoping to watch.

Let's not leave Lyin Ted Cruz out.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I am not sure if I understand this sentence. Are you saying that unemployment statistics only include people accepting EI benefits? I could be wrong, but I don't think that is true. I know for sure it isn't true in every country.

Unemployment rate calculates the percentage of people not working but are willing, able, and are actively seeking work. Many people who would like to work but cannot (due to a disability, for example), or have become discouraged after looking for work without success, are not considered unemployed under this system. Since they are not employed either, they are categorized as outside the labor force and don't count at all in the equation.



Say we have 100 people, 90 are working, and 10 are on EI. So unemployment is 10/100=10%


Let's say 5 of them go past EI and can no longer claim. Then they are taken out of both numerator and denominator. So the rate is now 5/95 = 5.2%.

[activeStick]

Reports that around 20 people were arrested today in DC during clashes between pro-Trump, "Stop the Steal" supporters on one side and people against them on the other. The level of hate these groups have for each other is off the charts. Spoiler for violence.

Spoiler!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1327762320068493312

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Reports that around 20 people were arrested today in DC during clashes between pro-Trump, "Stop the Steal" supporters on one side and people against them on the other. The level of hate these groups have for each other is off the charts. Spoiler for violence.

Spoiler!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1327762320068493312

This kind of crap is a direct result of Trump's childish refusal to concede and his ridiculous fraud claims. The longer the White House and the GOP continue down this dangerous path, the worse it's gonna get.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...fraud-n1247849

While aides say that Trump is coming around to the reality that he lost to Joe Biden, the president’s public attacks on the validity of the election results and his unwillingness to concede has allowed for conspiracy theories and misinformation to fester, particularly among his most devoted fans.

Members of the Proud Boys, a far-right extremist group that Trump declined to denounce during the first presidential debate, endorsed the events. Neo-Nazi Andrew Anglin, one of the organizers of the deadly Charlottesville “Unite the Right” rally in 2017, also promoted the march, among other far-right figures.


The Proud Boys clashed at times with small groups of counterprotesters throughout the day and into the evening.

Michelle, a retiree from Maryland who declined to give her last name, said she had also heard of the event from Fox News coverage as well as the Newsmax website.


"This election was completely fraudulent," she said, listing off a number of debunked claims of voter fraud, including Dominion Voting Systems, a company that makes voting machines, "deleted" millions of Trump votes. The baseless theory has been pushed by Trump and the discredited QAnon conspiracy movement.


Republican Rep. Louie Gohmert of Texas, Congresswoman-elect Marjorie Taylor Greene, who supports QAnon, as well as Alex Jones, a discredited conspiracy theorist, spoke at the event.

The demonstrations also raised serious health concerns as coronavirus cases climbed to record-high numbers this week.


Hundreds of people flew into Washington from around the country (only 5 percent of Washingtonians voted for Trump, compared to 92 percent for Biden) at a time when health experts are urging Americans to stay at home and cancel holiday plans. Many flooded into local hotels, restaurants and public transportation, often ignoring mask guidelines.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Reports that around 20 people were arrested today in DC during clashes between pro-Trump, "Stop the Steal" supporters on one side and people against them on the other. The level of hate these groups have for each other is off the charts. Spoiler for violence.

Spoiler!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1327762320068493312

That video disturbs me

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

That video disturbs me

dont usually see a round from the back punch making that solid a contact

[DeluxeMoustache]

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[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

That video disturbs me

Probably a good thing. Violence isn’t enjoyable

Anything particular otherwise?

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

dont usually see a round from the back punch making that solid a contact

A complete blind side cheapshot too by that coward.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by activeStick

A complete blind side cheapshot too by that coward.

true, usually they go for the back of the head, which can lay you out pretty bad as well, the round the side though normally ends up glancing off the side of the arm before the fist can properly connect

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Probably a good thing. Violence isn’t enjoyable

Anything particular otherwise?

It ain’t the violence, I’ve seen tonnes of that.

It is the environment that generated the violence.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

It ain’t the violence, I’ve seen tonnes of that.

It is the environment that generated the violence.

Good to hear. Couldn’t agree more