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Old 11-06-2020, 12:16 PM   #4341
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Seems like a bit of a reach to conclusively state the Lincoln Project was the reason Trump strengthened its hold on Republican votes.

Edit: You can certainly they weren’t as effective as hoped though.

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Millions to the polls at the cost of a couple hundred thousand lives. Hey, you gotta spend people to get people.
Its these types of arguments that discredit so many of you. “Trump caused 250,000 COVID deaths”, give your head a shake.
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Old 11-06-2020, 12:20 PM   #4344
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This election was never about policy. I doubt many people voted for Biden strictly on policy, this was a referendum on Trump and mostly on his handling of Covid.
I would word it somewhat differently.

Millions of people voted based on policy and platforms. But for those who saw this as a referendum on the character and quality of the leader, well they voted overwhelmingly for Biden. And that was the difference.
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Old 11-06-2020, 12:23 PM   #4345
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Lots of discussion on issues here and where the Democrats go next, and the landscape of the next election. Here are three books about generational divide. The two biggest groups by far are boomers and millennials. They discuss the same issue but in different ways.



Joseph Sternberg - The Theft of The Decade: How The Baby Boomers Stole The Millennials Economic Future

Patrick Fisher - Demographic Gaps in American Political Behavior

Jill Filipovic - OK Boomer, Let’s Talk: How My Generation Got Left Behind
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Not gonna lie, he had me there until the end.
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Clinton had 3 million more votes than Trump, and that's before Trump did Trump things as a president.

Voter turnout was almost 30 million more than 2016. Making the 4 million vote for Biden even less impressive.

If anything that's an even worse showing. They got a few more votes in the right states this time, that's it.

That's the difference between Trump 2016 and no Trump 2020.

Biden is a horrible candidate.
This is a bad take. They are still counting ballots across the country and Biden’s margin is growing. At the end of the day he will likely win by 5%, which is going to vastly eclipse Clinton’s margin and be more than Obama’s PV margin in 2012. This really wasn’t all that close. It just looked that way because of the order in which votes were counted.

Biden got more votes than any presidential candidate in history. You don’t have to like him, but he likely gets 80 million votes when the counting is complete.

That’s not to say there aren’t some challenges or that the electorate isn’t highly polarized. It clearly is. But Biden didn’t just squeak out a victory here; by the standards of recent elections (i.e. not from the 80s) this is a decisive victory.
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He sure Putin's not just trolling him at this point?

He wouldn't know the difference anyways.
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That's some pretty questionable reasoning for asserting that they didn't make any difference, but it has been painfully obvious for quite a while that the main audience for their ads were democrats, not republicans.

They found an audience that was rapid for consuming anti-Trump ads and they fed that audience what they wanted in order to have them hand over their money.
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Seems like a bit of a reach to conclusively state the Lincoln Project was the reason Trump strengthened its hold on Republican votes.

Edit: You can certainly they weren’t as effective as hoped though.
Biden did better among White Men then Clinton did. Every other category he did worse. So whether that just shows the sexism against Clinton, a shift over time, or the Lincoln project working is up to you.

An example is Pennsylvania where Trump outperformed 2016 in Philadelphia but didn’t perform well in the rest of the state. Same with Florida.

Now I attribute that to sexism rather than the Lincoln project but it does show that white male they targeted did vote for Biden more than last time.
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While most Mormons I know would fall firmly on the socially conservative end of the scale, I think there is the growing realization that Trump is not a social conservative. He is closer to being a hedonist than a moral conservative.

Mormons also seem to put a lot of weight on social responsibility of community.

Based on those two points, I can see why Biden might appeal to a lot of them given the current alternative.

Mitt Romney is also no fan of Trump, which would have played into it as well.
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That's some pretty questionable reasoning for asserting that they didn't make any difference, but it has been painfully obvious for quite a while that the main audience for their ads were democrats, not republicans.

They found an audience that was rapid for consuming anti-Trump ads and they fed that audience what they wanted in order to have them hand over their money.
That's not what the article says though. They didn't deliver on their stated goal. I don't think you can blame them entirely for that, but considering how they advertised themselves and what they stated their main goal was, they were pretty ineffective.
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Biden did better among White Men then Clinton did. Every other category he did worse. So whether that just shows the sexism against Clinton, a shift over time, or the Lincoln project working is up to you.

An example is Pennsylvania where Trump outperformed 2016 in Philadelphia but didn’t perform well in the rest of the state. Same with Florida.

Now I attribute that to sexism rather than the Lincoln project but it does show that white male they targeted did vote for Biden more than last time.
Apparently Biden did way better than Trump with unmarried men and women, so you can thank all of us slutty losers for the end of your fascist nightmare.
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I would word it somewhat differently.

Millions of people voted based on policy and platforms. But for those who saw this as a referendum on the character and quality of the leader, well they voted overwhelmingly for Biden. And that was the difference.
It wasn’t a referendum on character, or even basically human decency.

It wasn’t even the difference.

He’s stoked an identity politics culture war on every front to fuel his own pathetic insecure narcissism.

His incompetent lazy lunacy enabled the incompetent lunacy on the left to actually have a voice. No one paid attention to them before, with good reason.

His inability to respond with consistent meaningful leadership in turbulent times gave them a platform to exploit.

He used them and they used him to the detriment of everyone.

He has the policy crafting acumen of the town drunk. Anyone he assembled assembled on his was a bunch of bumbling self-interested incompetent idiots. What meaningful polices did they or he actually craft and execute?

Deregulation? How?When?Where?Why?

What are the actually outputs? What about the outcomes?

Any idiot can tear down a barn for any reason. Building one is exponentially more difficult and complex.

With control of the house and the senate he barely passed tax cuts because he’s an egomaniacal clown.

All of his corrupt calculative cronies can rot in jail.
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I think this argument might have merits, but how do you fix it? Can they do a better job of recruiting more local "man of the people" style candidates in rural areas?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1324789944607514625
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Apparently Biden did way better than Trump with unmarried men and women, so you can thank all of us slutty losers for the end of your fascist nightmare.
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CNN reporting that WH staff are starting to look for new jobs as the realization that Biden is going to win is setting in.

They are tainted and will have to likely explain their roles, similar to those that have Enron or Theranos on their resumes.
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