[GT] US election - It's 2020, what could possibly go wrong?

[GGG]

I think when you look at Florida passing a $15 minimum wage yet voting trump you can see the Democrat problem.

They need to be the party of the working man and working immigrant. If a $15 minimum wage passes the democrats should win that state. So you have the issue of the low income economic liberal socially conservative person finding comfort in the republicans positions on social issues so much to vote against self interest.

The democrats need to be the party of putting money and services in your pocket and that message was not effective in Florida

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Just on the bolded. It's starting there and going up a dollar per year until it gets to $15. It's happening. Americans need to get used to it no matter what. Wages under $10/hour are essentially slave wages.

Fascinating result with Trump winning the state.

An interesting insight into how an important state thinks politically. The political parties should take note.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

You aren’t wrong, but let’s cool it on describing the demographic that voted for Trump as “disenfranchised”.

The system is intrinsically designed to benefit rural and southern Republicans. The electoral college and gerrymandering benefits them more than anyone else.

Republicans being disenfranchised is a hilarious notion.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Really need the Democrats to win the Senate, otherwise it'll be 4 years of Biden being blocked.

At least 2 years if they don't but I will take Biden being blocked over Trumps absolute nonsense daily

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by dino7c

alarming lol you were pulling for Trump this whole time no? sure as heck seemed like it.

Anyway its an opinion...Trumps numbers didn't change much with covid, his supporters didn't seem to care. Dems got mad but what else is new.

I heard his covid response flipped seniors in Florida but its seems they more than made up for it with rallies, lying, and getting people to the polls. Aren't there hundreds of thousands of mail in ballots missing in Florida?

what? an alarming takeaway that Trump would have won without COVID is support for Trump?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Ugh, Democrats are so ####ing weak.

Still 25% of the vote yet to be counted. Further, Maine has weird rules where if the candidate doesn't get 50% of the vote, people can elect the 2nd choice instead of the 3rd or 4th place candidate. She could still win that ####ing election.

Just maddening.

https://apnews.com/article/election-...b0bb953f9c66bd

The polls were horribly wrong on that race. I wonder if it had anything to do with the Democrat strategy.

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Really need the Democrats to win the Senate, otherwise it'll be 4 years of Biden being blocked.

At least 2 years. Democrats have a favorable map in 2022, if they can get within 1-2 seats this time. But they still need to figure out why they're constantly underperforming expectations in senate races. If they can't pick-off Collins in a ranked-choice state, they've still got a ways to go.

[djsFlames]

Another 1% counted in Georgia narrows the gap to 80,000 with another 5% to be counted.

Biden might get a little padding here.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Do you think so? I think an alarming takeaway should be that Trump probably would have cruised to re-election if he had bothered to take COVID remotely seriously. He could have handled it like Trudeau, every day at 11:15am, have a press conference showing empathy. Instead he picked fights with Fauci et al.

Disagree. The American electorate is so divided on fault lines over the last four years, expecting a seismic shift from COVID was not going to change people's political mindsets in a way that would reflect in the election.

To assume that would be the same in assuming the Dems were going to waltz to victory because of the vitriol against Trump and the MAGA crowd. What we are seeing though is that that brand is resilient, no matter what the scandal or pressing issue.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Ugh, Democrats are so ####ing weak.

Still 25% of the vote yet to be counted. Further, Maine has weird rules where if the candidate doesn't get 50% of the vote, people can elect the 2nd choice instead of the 3rd or 4th place candidate. She could still win that ####ing election.

Just maddening.

Dumb question time...if you concede, do they just stop counting and take that as 'the answer'? Or do they keep counting anyhow and see what the actual result is? If she concedes and they keep counting and she wins...does she 'unconcede' and win?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

what? an alarming takeaway that Trump would have won without COVID is support for Trump?

No, your previous posts seemed to support Trump...that is why I was surprised you said it would be alarming

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Might as well do an update...

• CNN: Biden 237, Trump 213
• Fox News: Biden 238, Trump 214
• MSNBC: Biden 227, Trump 213
• Associated Press: Biden 238, Trump 214

What's the 1 point difference between what CNN and Fox are reporting?

As I understand it, that point is massive as it gives Biden a path to 270 without Pennsylvania.
Where is that point of discrepancy?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

What's the 1 point difference between what CNN and Fox are reporting?

As I understand it, that point is massive as it gives Biden a path to 270 without Pennsylvania.
Where is that point of discrepancy?

Either Maine 2 or Nebraska 2

If Biden wins 1 he can win without Penn or Georgia.

[PsYcNeT]

It's beginning.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1324065124504817666

[MarchHare]

So a Democratic candidate just won the national popular vote for the 7th time out of the last 8 elections and is currently trending (hopefully this doesn't jinx it!) towards a victory in the Electoral College, but we're in this thread wringing our hands that the party is out of touch with the average American voter because the margin of victory wasn't big enough? Really?

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

What's the 1 point difference between what CNN and Fox are reporting?

As I understand it, that point is massive as it gives Biden a path to 270 without Pennsylvania.
Where is that point of discrepancy?

probably Maine.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by New Era

This is so much bull#### it is beyond belief. The Republicans have been playing identity politics for decades, just about WHITE identity and their specific politics. Politics is all about identity, so this has always been a bull#### narrative. And spare me the cancel culture crap as well. We have rating systems for music and movies because of Republican thought control and their cancel culture. What a load of horse####.



Educate us. What is to understand here, because I don't think you understand Latinos in the slightest if you think Latinos in Florida care one iota about a wall. If you can't tell the difference between Cubans, Venezuelans, Mexicans, Hondurans, Guatemalans, and so on, you may want to stay away from this making these broad sweeping generalizations about "Latinos".



Fear and ignorance is why Trump almost won again and why he has traction with the demographics he does. Disenfranchisement? Need you be reminded the Republicans systemically disenfranchise vast swaths of non-white voters each and every election? SMH

Stressful day knowing that Trump 2020 is still a possibility?

I'm enjoying it. People are frothing at the mouth at the thought that Trump could still somehow win despite how awful he is.

There is more to this election than people voting for Trump because people are racist. Pigeonholing 65 million voters (a number double Canada's own population) to fit this narrative is why we are here contemplating what is wrong with America rather than celebrating a Democratic win.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

It's beginning.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1324065124504817666

How the eff can you sue to stop counting??

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by dino7c

No, your previous posts seemed to support Trump...that is why I was surprised you said it would be alarming

When I present why Republicans continue to vote Republican, it doesn't mean I support Trump, I'm just presenting an argument, and yes, asking questions. Do you know how many times I've called Trump an idiot on here? But I try to piece together why people still vote Republican, why they're not voting Democrat, and why this election wasn't a landslide. Some of the reasons are reasonable, some of the reasons are crap. I like the discussion with you guys.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

So a Democratic candidate just won the national popular vote for the 7th time out of the last 8 elections and is currently trending (hopefully this doesn't jinx it!) towards a victory in the Electoral College, but we're in this thread wringing our hands that the party is out of touch with the average American voter because the margin of victory wasn't big enough? Really?

also worth noting that Biden has already eclipsed Obamas record in total votes. He's close to 70 million votes now, more than anybody else in history.