[GT] US election - It's 2020, what could possibly go wrong?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by New Era

They made some great points on messaging and targeting populations. That is exactly how Arizona was turned. Targeted messaging that reached communities that could turn the state. I can see why Trump did so well in Florida now as I did not know they had their own media system within the Cuban community. Trump knows how to use the media to his advantage so that all makes sense. Give credit where credit is due, if you can get free coverage without spending much money, you're ahead of the game. Trump has been great at this his whole life thanks to the mentoring he got from Roy Cohen.

The Democrats will have to do a lot of soul searching after this. That is not news. They really need to improve their messaging and they need to target it better. But we have been saying this for years and they still suck, because they appeal to a larger tent with many more messages to manage. They need to get better at counterpunching and making the Republicans chase them for a change.

I do hope this is the last election where that they spend chasing the mythical moderate Republican vote. Early returns are showing that Kasich crowd actually went higher for Trump this time than last time. The culture war stuff on the Republican side of the aisle is just too strong and they're way too hive-minded to ever switch their votes.

The Democrats need to stop being so afraid to play their hits because they're going to lose moderates (or more likely, their lobbyists and corporate donors don't want them to). Health care, better wages, and green energy initiatives are popular with the majority of Americans (upwards of 65%) in some cases. Obviously you want to drill down to the state levels on some of those so that numbers aren't skewed by NY and California.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Itse

Never seizes to amaze me how some people can forget that one candidate would love to literally drive you and your family out of the country because of your skin colour, just because it's not not at the top of his agenda right now...

Try some WD-40.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

https://twitter.com/user/status/1323893592864313345

The problem is never the voter. Right away, that's the wrong starting point for an argument.

[Ozy_Flame]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1324045057868107776

[krynski]

Originally Posted by New Era

Hey, I'm hopeful too, but you have to look at the county trends and take them into consideration. Those make the math for Biden pretty impossible. Unless those ballots are all being lumped into one monolithic group, and not as part of the originating county (which they should), the math still is what it is. I hope to be wrong. I would love Pennsylvania to push it way over the top and have Trump wincing. But I don't see the math being there.

In regards to Pennsylvania:

That is a fair point, I think 78% is extremely difficult to get. FYI, since my last post, there have been 100,580 ballots counted, 74,699 of those (74%) were cast for Biden.

Another poster mentioned with 1.5 million votes left, Biden needed 68%. 74% of remaining mail-ins would most certainly secure a Biden win in Pennsylvania. I hate to count my chicks before they hatch, but I think there is a real chance here that Pennsylvania is blue at the end of the day.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Sorry, what exactly was in Biden's platform that wouldn't appeal to Republicans again? That was the whole game plan.

The clear cut communism. And tax increases to.... virtually no one who would even notice.

[Robbob]

So how does that work? He was dead a good month before the election. How can he win the seat?

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The difference in votes is still only going to be around 2-3% of the total. Winning the popular vote is nothing to get excited about when it is still that close to a 50/50 split. The difference in popular vote is basically California.

I am sure the system plays a part, but the results I believe are more a reflection of the attitudes and mindset of the overall population. Make no mistake, close to half of Americans want someone like Trump.

It has more to with with half of Americans rejecting Democrat ideologies than it is about wanting Trump.

Democrats made it a 'elect someone other than Trump' election, but the problem is, they are still Democrats with Democrat ideologies that got Trump elected as a protest vote to begin with.

[MoneyGuy]

Sympathy vote?

[Nandric]

It sounds like the seat will be filled by the republican state party's choice and that person will be a place-holder until a new special election can be run.

[afc wimbledon]

I think the problem for the Dem's is the voters dont give a tinkers about policies anymore, Trump had no policy what so ever, didnt run on policy, Biden had them but no one cared, voters are literally just choosing on how the candidate looks and sounds in a 10 second facebook meme, Brexit and Boris johnson in the UK are exactly the same as is Justin in Canada, they are elections won wholly on image, I suspect Biden got more votes with 'will you shut up man' than any policy.

Biden was the best of the Dem's, the rest of them are just awful, Sanders and Warren remind me of slightly crabby school teachers demanding the voters do their homework, neither of them appear to have a personality, the others were all bland beyond belief.

The problem for the left is that its policies dont matter to the voter, left wing thought is just a miasma of complexity compared to a facebook ready 'build that wall' or 'lock her up' which is what elections look to be won or lost on in the future

Oh and to be clear the human race is clearly screwed

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

The problem is never the voter. Right away, that's the wrong starting point for an argument.

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

https://twitter.com/user/status/1324045057868107776

You sure about that?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The difference in votes is still only going to be around 2-3% of the total. Winning the popular vote is nothing to get excited about when it is still that close to a 50/50 split. The difference in popular vote is basically California.

I am sure the system plays a part, but the results I believe are more a reflection of the attitudes and mindset of the overall population. Make no mistake, close to half of Americans want someone like Trump.

Well it did make me a few hundred because people are dumb...that shows you how out of touch Trumpers are. There were actually decent odds on the popular vote late last night lol.

Free money, thanks to the guy on here who pointed that out...I owe you a coke

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Robbob

So how does that work? He was dead a good month before the election. How can he win the seat?

Govern beyond the grave, just like that ghoul Mitch McConnell.

[Manhattanboy]

Has Dear Leader or the WH said anything today?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Robbob

So how does that work? He was dead a good month before the election. How can he win the seat?

If only there was some way to click on the article instead of just reading headlines.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Robbob

So how does that work? He was dead a good month before the election. How can he win the seat?

It's not the first time a dead man has been elected. His name stays on the ballot because he was registered. People just vote blindly for the (R) or the (D). It's a good example of how uninformed or flat out partisan the American voter is.

This is why that quote about there being a problem with the Americans themselves is the answer to all this. Many are fully not informed when they vote, and are happy to vote based on gut feelings and false rhetoric. Happens all the time.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Has Dear Leader or the WH said anything today?

They are canvassing supporters via email to raise money for a legal fight.

[HockeyIlliterate]

Originally Posted by 3thirty

Is the Arizona swing likely due to the massive amounts of Californians that have moved in recent years or an actual change of heart?

I think it is more about the Senate candidate (Kelly) than the Presidential one, honestly.

[HockeyIlliterate]

Originally Posted by peter12

Latinos are highly religious and pro family.

You haven’t met my in-laws, have you?