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Bonded · 10-13-2020, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Valimaki's decision making is really impressive, seems to make the right decision every time. Plays like a vet.

I really hope the year off hasn't derailed him.

Yup, I know those are just the highlights but he is better than what I remembered.

dammage79 · 10-13-2020, 05:01 PM

Valimaki is a game changer. Remember that open ice hit against Colorado? Came out of nowhere. And IIRC we took that game.

JTech780 · 10-13-2020, 05:02 PM

I wonder if ownership would allow Treliving to go out and acquire Dubinsky and use his LTIR cap hit to go over the cap, similar to what Toronto has done in the past with Clarkson and Horton.

It would give the team some flexibility.

ricosuave · 10-13-2020, 05:02 PM

What about Andreas Athanasiou?

He's young, listed as a Center, but seems to be better on wing, prior to the Greasers, he put up some decent numbers, however, I don't have any idea what line he was on. 4th line here? Maybe some spot PP2 time?

I know some have already said no way, but I'm curious as to why.

Enoch Root · 10-13-2020, 05:03 PM

The problem with trading for Gallagher is that Montreal is hooped with the cap, so they can't bring back more salary than than they are shipping out. And Gallagher is only $3.75M this year.

So Montreal needs to take back less than $3.75M.

But that doesn't really work for the Flames. Also, Gallagher is going to be north of $5M next year, so the cap problems get worse.

Instead of trading for him now, let's see how Montreal does this season - maybe he'll be available at the deadline. He is an ideal rental.

Enoch Root · 10-13-2020, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JTech780

I wonder if ownership would allow Treliving to go out and acquire Dubinsky and use his LTIR cap hit to go over the cap, similar to what Toronto has done in the past with Clarkson and Horton.

It would give the team some flexibility.

How does this give us flexibility?

Enoch Root · 10-13-2020, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanCharles

If we don’t play Kylington in the top 6 we may as well trade him.

He needs ice time to keep improving and he has said himself he played his whole life, before coming to Stockton, on the right side.

This kid has good potential still.

Yeah, after I typed it, I circled back to Kylington in my head.

It's time to #### or get off the pot with him. And I certainly don't mind Valimaki-Kylington as the 3rd pair.

My concern is that, without another Dman, we have no depth. Next up are Mackey (not ready) and Petrovic.

And we could see more injuries this year, with the condensed schedule, than we usually see. Defensive and goaltending depth are going to be crutial.

JTech780 · 10-13-2020, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

How does this give us flexibility?

It would allow us to go over the cap by Dubinsky's cap hit. Mainly this would only be an option if they are still looking at adding a UFA like Hoffman, Dadonov or Vatanen.

btimbit · 10-13-2020, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The problem with trading for Gallagher is that Montreal is hooped with the cap, so they can't bring back more salary than than they are shipping out. And Gallagher is only $3.75M this year.

So Montreal needs to take back less than $3.75M.

But that doesn't really work for the Flames. Also, Gallagher is going to be north of $5M next year, so the cap problems get worse.

Instead of trading for him now, let's see how Montreal does this season - maybe he'll be available at the deadline. He is an ideal rental.

Losing Gallagher because of that Anderson contract would be such a Bergevin thing to do.

I bet it's just the agent trying to put pressure on a GM anyway. They'll have some space next season with Allen gone, but a lot of guys they need to re-sign. Will be interesting to follow

SeanCharles · 10-13-2020, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yeah, after I typed it, I circled back to Kylington in my head.

It's time to #### or get off the pot with him. And I certainly don't mind Valimaki-Kylington as the 3rd pair.

My concern is that, without another Dman, we have no depth. Next up are Mackey (not ready) and Petrovic.

And we could see more injuries this year, with the condensed schedule, than we usually see. Defensive and goaltending depth are going to be crutial.

Yelesin too but yes, I agree we need to add some more depth on defence to be #7 and/or provide more depth in Stockton.

yourbestfriend · 10-13-2020, 05:10 PM

Hanifin/Valimaki - Andersson/Tanev
Hanifin/Valimaki - Andersson/Tanev
Gio - XXX

That's going to be our defense in a few years, assuming Hanifin, Andersson and Valimaki take the next step. Depending on how Valimaki progresses, at minimum 3/4 of our top4 will be making less than $5M AAV. If we trade away Hanifin, not only do we not have anyone internally who can reliably replace his 20mins a night, but any viable replacement via trade or UFA signing will probably cost more than what he's making.
Given his age, progression and contract, I think it's extremely short sighted to trade him away right now.

Enoch Root · 10-13-2020, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ricosuave

What about Andreas Athanasiou?

He's young, listed as a Center, but seems to be better on wing, prior to the Greasers, he put up some decent numbers, however, I don't have any idea what line he was on. 4th line here? Maybe some spot PP2 time?

I know some have already said no way, but I'm curious as to why.

I think he is definitely worth a look if we could get him around $1M.

Great on the 4th line and can move up for injury coverage. And good insurance at C.

Also, moar London Knights!

dammage79 · 10-13-2020, 05:12 PM

With how high the Flames are on Mackey, it wouldn't shock me if he was full time with the big team before then end of the season. Man we have a lot of left side d men.

Maybe they'll listen to Oliver and play him on the right side a la Brodie. But I think they want that lefty righty set up top to bottom of the d corps. Maybe they move him for an RFA RHD D.

Same is Mangi. I just don't see the Flames prioritizing him.over Tkachuk and Johnny. I think you can debate who stays in CGY longer between Dube and Mangi, but I feel like Dube is about to explode.

Mangiapane still feels like the odd man out to me.

Psytic · 10-13-2020, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yeah, after I typed it, I circled back to Kylington in my head.

It's time to #### or get off the pot with him. And I certainly don't mind Valimaki-Kylington as the 3rd pair.

My concern is that, without another Dman, we have no depth. Next up are Mackey (not ready) and Petrovic.

And we could see more injuries this year, with the condensed schedule, than we usually see. Defensive and goaltending depth are going to be crutial.

Has anyone shown any serious interest at all in Hamonic? Maybe the Flames can flip him 1 year at 2 mill or something lol.

kyuss275 · 10-13-2020, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Psytic

Has anyone shown any serious interest at all in Hamonic? Maybe the Flames can flip him 1 year at 2 mill or something lol.

I rather give the 1 year contract to vatannen

calgarybean · 10-13-2020, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Psytic

Has anyone shown any serious interest at all in Hamonic? Maybe the Flames can flip him 1 year at 2 mill or something lol.

Think we might only get an 11th round pick for the UFA.

SuperMatt18 · 10-13-2020, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yeah, after I typed it, I circled back to Kylington in my head.

It's time to #### or get off the pot with him. And I certainly don't mind Valimaki-Kylington as the 3rd pair.

My concern is that, without another Dman, we have no depth. Next up are Mackey (not ready) and Petrovic.

And we could see more injuries this year, with the condensed schedule, than we usually see. Defensive and goaltending depth are going to be crutial.

I wonder what Ceci would cost to bring in to the fold. If you can get him for $1M for 1 year then I think he’d be the ideal fit for the 6/7 spot based on his age and style of play.

Team still needs a bigger dman, that’s a bit physical, and who can play on the PK more than a PP QB like Vatanen IMO.

LH:
Giordano
Hanifin
Valimaki
Kylington

RH:
Andersson
Tanev
Ceci

Kylington/Ceci are your 6/7 and first call up is likely Mackey...I’d be okay with that dcore .

activeStick · 10-13-2020, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by FanIn80

Hanifin - Andersson

Giordano - Kylington

Valimaki - Tanev

Giordano - Andersson
Hanifin - Tanev
Valimaki/Kylington - Veteran 5/6 acquisition

Enoch Root · 10-13-2020, 05:35 PM

Sami Vatanen - Finnish, RHS, experienced

He would be a perfect partner for Valimaki, IMO

Giordano - Tanev
Hanifin - Andersson
Valimaki - Vatanen
Kylington

would make me very happy

Psytic · 10-13-2020, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by calgarybean

Think we might only get an 11th round pick for the UFA.

For the Flames to sign him to a 1 year deal for depth? Skim less my friend.