2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

There is no question that he took a one-year deal as a prove-it contract. Even with my lack of foresight, that is plain to see.

That does not mean he turned down $6M though.

Pro tip: people will take you more seriously if you can make your point without insulting others

Who knows more you, or Frank Seravelli.....

Call me crazy, but I'm going with Frank.

Pro-tip: don't bitch and whine about being insulted when it was a direct response to a post where you insulted them by calling them a liar.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I was quoting members of the national media in Frank Seravelli and Darren Dreger actually. But you're welcome to keep your head in the sand.

But your Barrie at 5x5 or 6x6? No GM was willing to do that though haha

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Who knows more you, or Frank Seravelli.....

Call me crazy, but I'm going with Frank.

Pro-tip: don't bitch and whine about being insulted when it was a direct response to a post where you insulted them by calling them a liar.

So go with Frank. That's cool. He may well have inside info, who knows?

Just stop with the personal insults every ####ing post. I want to take your posts seriously, but I just can't because you can't seem to make a point without using aggression against the other poster to try and hammer it home.

If the point is a good one, it'll stand on its own.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Who knows more you, or Frank Seravelli.....

Call me crazy, but I'm going with Frank.

Pro-tip: don't bitch and whine about being insulted when it was a direct response to a post where you insulted them by calling them a liar.

Dude. Chill out.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Listening to Ryan Leslie and maybe this is from earlier in the day, but he seems to think the trade market for impact forwards is going to be awfully quiet now.

Those hoping for a change in the team’s core may end up disappointed.

I am interested if people think Flames have done enough as of now or if more changes needed to become a contender.

It's definitely making me sad that the organization has failed to make that big all in move for the forward. Especially with Gaudreau potentially leaving in 2 years.

After having some time to think about what happened these playoffs, the forward group is not as bad as we think:

-We manhandled Winnipeg. There were contributions from all over. Even Lucic was scoring.
-Dallas turned out to be a legit contender. And their strength was shutting down offence. They did it to Colorado, who were potentially the most offensively loaded team in the league. Gaudreau, who apparently disappeared, had 4 points in 6 games that series. So even he wasn't horrendous. He just needed help. So maybe it wasn't just the Flames forwards playing poorly, but they ran into an incredible defence.

-The Flames lost Tkachuk for the Dallas series. That was a huge blow. Tkachuk is only 22, and he's a physical type forward. He will be older and stronger next year. If anyone was going to get into Dallas' heads and throw them off that ultra strict defensive system, it was Tkachuk.

-Maybe shoring up the goaltending is the answer. There were definitely times where the team simply did not trust the goaltenders and was collapsing around them, which prevented them from free wheeling offensively. The last game, the goaltending ripped the heart out of the team. Having someone who they can rely on to make basic saves may change the whole game plan.

Even if we can't land a big UFA forward now, there's still hope. Valiamaki and Andersson have legit top 4 talent, but obviously not enough experience to be trusted full time in that role. Hopefully, they progress through the season and make one of the vet d-men expendable, at which point a hockey trade is made for a legit top 6 RW capable of putting up 60 points....maybe that player is already here and it's Mangiapane, Pelletier, or Dube?

[Roof-Daddy]

I'd like to see Brett Ritchie and/or Valentin Zykov brought in on near league minimum contracts or at least PTO's. Could be solid bottom six wingers with some size and right hand shots.

Also Jayce Hawryluk. Western Canadian kid and has an agitator type element and some skill too.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

So go with Frank. That's cool. He may well have inside info, who knows?

Just stop with the personal insults every ####ing post. I want to take your posts seriously, but I just can't because you can't seem to make a point without using aggression against the other poster to try and hammer it home.

If the point is a good one, it'll stand on its own.

You threw the first insult at me. That's all I was saying. Maybe you should look at your own behavior before complaining about others insulting you. Why do you think it is okay for you to call me a liar, and then turn around and complain about being told you have no foresight? Kinda hypocritical.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Listening to Ryan Leslie and maybe this is from earlier in the day, but he seems to think the trade market for impact forwards is going to be awfully quiet now.

Those hoping for a change in the team’s core may end up disappointed.

I am interested if people think Flames have done enough as of now or if more changes needed to become a contender.

For me, I ask myself which group between the forwards and the goalies would bounce back next year with the greatest impact if nothing were changed, and if I had to bet, I'd go with the forward group over Rittich and Talbot.

So, bringing in an actual number 1 goalie seems like the right approach and the Flames have clearly improved there by a lot.

On defense, I'm looking at things currently as Brodie and Hamonic out, and Tanev and maybe Valimaki in, only because Valimaki wasn't a factor last year. I think he gets an opportunity to play in the 5 spot next year if he can make the team. On paper, I think it's going to change the style and structure of the defense, which may not necessarily be a bad thing. If Valimaki can not be terrible and play the full season adequately on the bottom pairing in a sheltered role, the Flames should be okay.

I also feel like Treliving is going to add Toffoli still, without moving Gaudreau out.

Overall, the Flames will be better because of the addition of Markstrom.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Murph

It will obviously drive down Gaudreau’s selling price. How far it drives it down depends on the number of suitors you have. 1 suitor - you’re in trouble, 2 suitors - the price will sting a bit, 3 plus suitors - I think the depression in selling price is marginal.

If Gaudreau’s on the market, I think you have 3 or more suitors.

If you are able to land Hall, all those teams that were desperate to sign him are now looking for a scoring winger like a Gaudreau.

There shouldn’t be any worry about Gaudreau value taking a hit if you can get Hall to sign.

I just don’t think Hall is coming here and don’t think the Flames want to commit those dollars to Hall or disrupt the room by trading Johnny.

[tkflames]

I think it's probably time to end this discussion as we are talking in what ifs now...so let me summarize the outcome.

Some of us believe that Barrie is worth 5x5 or 6x6...no one in the hockey world does and many fans on this board don't either. The reality is that if any GM thought that, Barrie would not be an Oiler.

Some of us believe that Tyson Barrie walked away from a 1 x 6M contract today....others interpret it as a $6M total contract over 2 years (or more)....because a player walking away from double the money to play on the Oilers seems crazy. No insider has confirmed duration and I cant think of a single UFA in the last decade that has left money on the table to play for Edmonton. The more I think about it...the offer was probably 6M over 3 years.

Some of the fanbase is happy to have Tanev over Barrie. A select group would rather have Barrie. Some want neither or both.

I am sorry for calling you crazy for your stance on this. I know I was wrong in that.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

But your Barrie at 5x5 or 6x6? No GM was willing to do that though haha

Tanev got 4x4.5m, Brodie got 4x5m, Krug got 6.5x7

If a GM is willing to give those contracts, my suggestion is not that out there.

[AC]

Originally Posted by AC

https://twitter.com/user/status/1315021408494329856

https://twitter.com/user/status/1315062854450655232

Boston and Columbus both out of the running for Hall...?

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

You threw the first insult at me. That's all I was saying. Maybe you should look at your own behavior before complaining about others insulting you. Why do you think it is okay for you to call me a liar, and then turn around and complain about being told you have no foresight? Kinda hypocritical.

You are drawing the wrong conclusion here. If you think someone insulted you, then be the better man. Otherwise, stop with personal attacks, as they don't add anything to the discussion. You don't need to prove anything to anyone. Make your point. If someone disagrees, well that's their choice/opinion.

[Vinny01]

It has been interesting offseason so far. Overall I am pleased because the Markstrom signing was near the absolute top of my list and I am pumped the Flames got the premier free agent at his position. The contract is also quite fair and hopefully will be considered a steal for a couple of years if he can win a Vezina.

I felt strongly the Flames would trade Johnny Gaudreau if they lost in the first round and I am definitely not feeling the same way today. Considering they took a run at Taylor Hall during the season and it has been speculated he may want to play here I thought it was almost a slam dunk he would eventually be a Flame. Again I am definitely not feeling the same way today. Having said that there is still part of me that sees the opportunity to sign Hall for 6 years and recoup some future assets and get something for Gaudreau while he has 2 years left.

Columbus, Nashville seem like the 2 teams in the best position to sign Hall. We have not heard much but it would appear a team like Colorado is out since they traded for a $5M LW earlier today. Boston has been rumored to be out since they only offered short term.

I wonder if Treliving can do one of his 6 year specials and get it done to cap off the most successful free agent offseason in team history?

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by 868904

If you are able to land Hall, all those teams that were desperate to sign him are now looking for a scoring winger like a Gaudreau.

There shouldn’t be any worry about Gaudreau value taking a hit if you can get Hall to sign.

I just don’t think Hall is coming here and don’t think the Flames want to commit those dollars to Hall or disrupt the room by trading Johnny.

the words “disrupt the room by trading Johnny” may carry more weight than what most people think. I know it’s not a league of emotions and few good stories but there le something to be said about complimenting our core offensive players rather than shipping them out.

We’ll see...

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

I still think Johnny gets moved and it’s philly. Konecny, frost, 2021 first for Johnny and Ryan.

Sign Hall or Toffoli

Zero chance Johnny gets traded for that return, or it would already be done . Doubtful Philly gives us Konecny for him.


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[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by 868904

If you are able to land Hall, all those teams that were desperate to sign him are now looking for a scoring winger like a Gaudreau.

There shouldn’t be any worry about Gaudreau value taking a hit if you can get Hall to sign.

I just don’t think Hall is coming here and don’t think the Flames want to commit those dollars to Hall or disrupt the room by trading Johnny.

Except Hall only costs teams vying for him money. Getting Johnny costs assets ,and considerable assets at that to obtain him.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I also feel like Treliving is going to add Toffoli still, without moving Gaudreau out.

So, who are they moving out?


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[mile]

Originally Posted by AC

https://twitter.com/user/status/1315062854450655232

Boston and Columbus both out of the running for Hall...?

So these two teams are out. Edmonton is out.

So who else does that leave?
- Calgary
- Colorado? (looking unlikely with the Saad trade and their other signings)
- Montreal
- Nashville

[868904]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Except Hall only costs teams vying for him money. Getting Johnny costs assets ,and considerable assets at that to obtain him.

Yea well they should have made a better offer to Hall then, hypothetically speaking.

If you miss out on the free agent, then you have to trade assets to acquire one, most teams do that instead of just quitting the season before it even begins.