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Old 10-09-2020, 10:10 PM   #321
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Well, obviously.

If a guy is useless offensively, he's not going to get a lot of offensive zone starts.
Actually, I find players with weak defensive games get the high offensive zone starts.
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Old 10-09-2020, 10:10 PM   #322
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It's !@#$ing Troy Brouwer all over again. I'm going to have nightmares about this !@#$ing contract. Why the hell did we sign it?
It feels like when the Oilers couldn't trade for Hamilton and they went and spent a bunch of valuable pieces for Reinhart instead.
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Old 10-09-2020, 10:10 PM   #323
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So here are my thoughts on this signing:

- I used to really liked Chris Tanev's defensive play
- I don't know if he's still that good, because I barely watched the Canucks last year. when I did I was too busy oohing and aahing about Pettersson and shutting the game off because I want Pettersson on my team
- The numbers suggest he's declined rapidly
- Maybe he has, or maybe Gaudette, Sutter, beagle etc... - the Canucks' bottom sixers - are responsible for the decline in the shot metrics.
- I'm curious to see stats on zone entry denial. To me this is what separates wheat from the chaff for defensemen - gap control.
- hearing his skating has declined is concerning. Giordano's skating hasn't exactlty improved either
- Right now, I'm hopeful Tanev can slot in across from Valimaki or Kylington as those two can really glide around
- the AAV seems a bit steep for a defensive defenseman.
- the term might be a year too much
- i don't trust Flames pro scouting, but I also know I used to like the player every time I watched him, and not for those silly heart and soul nonsense reasons but because he had a fantastic stick and positioning. But if his skating has really declined that may not be the case.
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Flames will sign Hall this weekend and then shed some salary on the Ryan/Rittich side and we’ll be Stanley Cup bound next season.
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Old 10-09-2020, 10:11 PM   #325
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You knew Brad was going to make a signing like this. He did good with Jacob and then he made this signing. Mediocre GM's who are learning on the job do that. I suspect that Brodie wanted 5 million a year and Brad said that was too much, thus negotiations broke off last night. He saved 500K a year and signed a poor man's TJ Brodie.
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Old 10-09-2020, 10:11 PM   #326
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didn't know treleving was such a big fan of Canuck players lol

might as well sign Stecher to complete the transformation
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Old 10-09-2020, 10:11 PM   #327
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So because I don't agree I don't get it? And I never criticized the signing.

Yes, there was 0 acquisition cost. Yes, he has averaged 35 points. Yes, he's a very good PKer. But $3,125,000 for that is not a great contract, it is an average contract. But if Ryan is going to be relegated to the 4th line in favor of Bennett, that contract value declines.
It is a great contract for 3.125 per annum. Found money. You want to compare him to Bennett over the last 2 years?

Not even close.
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nm. 100% wrong

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Flames will sign Hall this weekend and then shed some salary on the Ryan/Rittich side and we’ll be Stanley Cup bound next season.

How are they going to sign Hall, they only have $5.5M of space now?
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I guess at the end of the day I'm a little confused about why the Flames always seem to either go for one-year cheap UFA deals or huuuuuuuge money UFA contracts at 4 years minimum

I wish we saw more two- or three-year contracts handed out by this management group. Maybe that's an unrealistic ask given Calgary's stature as a market. That fourth year just always seems to be a killer, though. Hope it's not the case here.

I like the Markstrom contract (a lot!) but this one just confuses me.
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You knew Brad was going to make a signing like this. He did good with Jacob and then he made this signing. Mediocre GM's who are learning on the job do that. I suspect that Brodie wanted 5 million a year and Brad said that was too much, thus negotiations broke off last night. He saved 500K a year and signed a poor man's TJ Brodie.
The problem is he's not learning on the job. He's not learning at all.
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It feels like when the Oilers couldn't trade for Hamilton and they went and spent a bunch of valuable pieces for Reinhart instead.
??????

Griffin Reinhart had 8 NHL games played when the Oilers made that deal

I don't see how this free agent signing of a guy who's played over 500 games as a top pairing shutdown defenseman is comparable in any way
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You knew Brad was going to make a signing like this. He did good with Jacob and then he made this signing. Mediocre GM's who are learning on the job do that. I suspect that Brodie wanted 5 million a year and Brad said that was too much, thus negotiations broke off last night. He saved 500K a year and signed a poor man's TJ Brodie.
I don't think it was about money, as much as it was about expansion.
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He would look good in a Kraken jersey. Expansion teams need defence.
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So did i miss Barrie signing anywhere to compare this to?
Barrie hasn't signed, but after Brodie signed for 5m and Krug for 6.5m, Barrie is probably going to get 5.5-6m on a 5-7 year deal. I think it is also a safe bet he will want expansion protection on top of that, like Brodie and Krug received.
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This is why I get concerned with BT's trades. Haven't we learned from the Neal/Brouwer mistakes. Too much term for an aging player has the potential to handicap the team.

We have known for sometime that both defensmen might be on the move yet here we are making moves out of necessity.
Neal and Brouwer were forwards.

Tanev is a defenseman.

They’re able to be Productive in different ways.

Hal Gill is about as big a possession threat as a suburban Salt Lake City valedictorian, he was still an invaluable piece of teams that went to at least the Conference finals three straight years.

Ask Sid how important Hal Gill was to their success. Or Mike Cammalleri how vital Hal Gill was to yet another weak sauce Habs team getting to the 3rd round.

These types of players matter.
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Old 10-09-2020, 10:15 PM   #337
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??????

Griffin Reinhart had 8 NHL games played when the Oilers made that deal

I don't see how this free agent signing of a guy who's played over 500 games as a top pairing shutdown defenseman is comparable in any way
Not because they're similiar as players at all. Just feel like it's GMs feeling like they need to do something and making a bad deal instead of no deal.
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There is no way that Andersson gets paired with Giordano - at least not as regularly as people think. I like Andersson, but he doesn't replace Brodie right now. Andersson will get eaten-alive by McDavid's and MacKinnon's foot speed, probably Pettersson as well.



Tanev won't replace Brodie's transition game - and I am worried he has been losing a step as that tweet in the first couple of pages pointed to - but he is the guy you pair with Giordano on the top pair against the top lines.


Andersson is trending in the right direction - I really like him myself, and I think that he is going to be a keeper for a long time and possibly end up being a top-pairing defencemen, but he needs more experience and hopefully increases his footspeed a bit by then.



The bottom pairing has to be Valimaki - Kylington.



If Kylington isn't going to get a run at being in the lineup regularly, trade him. He isn't going to get any better as the 7th D. He won't pass waivers. I would also start giving him reps on the 2nd unit PP - maybe not the mainstay guy there, but give him rotations. Develop this guy - he has the tools. Outside of two very lousy consecutive games in a row, Kylington has been pretty good defensively, even along the boards and in front of the net (where I just assumed he would be useless).



With Tanev signed (which I still really hate the term on), it gives Calgary a chance to really shelter that bottom-pairing right now.


I totally forgot that they signed Petrovic - so that's the 7th D. Calgary is done on Defence now I would think, and they have Yelesin and Mackey down on the farm who could fill in.


Still hate to lose Brodie, but Flames got what I consider to be the next best replacement left on the market (ignoring Pietrangelo of course). Hopefully he stays healthy - and Calgary doesn't run a system so reliant on blocking shots - but in the playoffs everyone does it more. I guess we will see how it works out - I still think it is a downgrade - including defensively (remember, the Giordano - Brodie pairing was lauded a couple of times in the last few seasons as the NHL's best pairing), and I would say that over the last 3 consecutive post-seasons, Brodie was by far Calgary's best defencemen.


I am still upset at losing Brodie, especially given that he was the best defencemen in the playoffs year over year, and part of the impetus for change was to get better at the playoffs, no?



We will see how it plays out. Hopefully the Flames don't miss a beat.


One final thing to note:


That Kevin Woodley interview this morning has me thinking. Markstrom was such a good fit for Calgary given what types of shots that they give up, and how strong Markstrom is at them. Brodie was always out against the opposing teams' best lines, and of course he would have a fairly strong correlation with that. I wonder how Tanev alters that metric?



Here is the interview once again for those that missed it (worth a listen for sure):
https://www.sportsnet.ca/960/the-nin...goalie-market/
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It feels like when the Oilers couldn't trade for Hamilton and they went and spent a bunch of valuable pieces for Reinhart instead.
Except Griffin Reinhart played 37 NHL games and Chris Tanev has played over 500.

And we didn’t trade Matt Barzal for the privilege.

Otherwise, basically the same.
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Flames will sign Hall this weekend and then shed some salary on the Ryan/Rittich side and we’ll be Stanley Cup bound next season.
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