[Signing] Flames sign Chris Tanev (4 years, $4.5 million AAV)

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

And I think if the plan is to use Tanev on the first pairing for four years, it's a disastrous contract.

I liked Tanev in his prime but IMO he is so far past it at this point. He has played one full season in his career. He is signed until he's 34 and he might not be better than replacement level this season.

What? he played in the top pair for a playoff team that made it to the second round and was their best defensive dman

I get not everyone likes the player but this is ridiculous

[GioforPM]

It’s pretty useless to compare Brodie and Tanev as if Treliving had a choice, when we don’t know if that’s the case. I think Treliving would have had to overpay Brodie to get him to stay.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Does Tanev get matched up against McDavid?

And if so, how does he fare against him overall?

Originally Posted by Yamer

I'm curious to know about an outsider's perspective that has seen Tanev at work but still closely watched the Flames:

Tanev or Brodie - for the Flames - at their new deals? All context relevant. Thanks in advance, Blaster.

Tanev.

His shot's a muffin but he can still move the puck really well and is better defensively.

I am drunk and not considering term, just this coming season.

[ComixZone]

This team would have been better off with Tyson Barrie by a significant measure, and mores with TJ Brodie.

So in closing:

"Flames sign Chris Tanev ($4, years, $4.5M AAV)"

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Nope.

From a numbers perspective they both got their teeth kicked in during the playoffs.

Remember as well, folks, that you need certain types of players who will get you through to the next shift.

They can’t all be flashy and have excellent possession metrics. You also need guys who can muck it up, get in the way, clear the net, and be a good meat shield.

You can’t be paying offer sheet prices to acquire one, but they’re still necessary.

Nobody liked the Engelland signing when it happened, and the guy was as big a legend as you could be on a three year contract with a team that didn’t win anything.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Remember as well, folks, that you need certain types of players who will get you through to the next shift.

They can’t all be flashy and have excellent possession metrics. You also need guys who can muck it up, get in the way, clear the net, and be a good meat shield.

You can’t be paying offer sheet prices to acquire one, but they’re still necessary.

Nobody liked the Engelland signing when it happened, and the guy was as big a legend as you could be on a three year contract with a team that didn’t win anything.

Facts.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I like Doc, a lot. But calling his contract very good is simply not true, it's average at best when he is being used as a 3C, but of the plan is to use him on the 4th line, it is a poor contract.

It is incomprehensible to me that people do not understand that UFAs get more money/ salary than restricted players.

Ryan was an excellent signing at exactly what he got.

Literally, there was NO acquisition cost. 35 points a season, great PKer, very good defensively.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by dino7c

What? he played in the top pair for a playoff team that made it to the second round and was their best defensive dman

I get not everyone likes the player but this is ridiculous

I think that top pair succeeded largely in spite of him... Hughes' numbers were far better when he wasn't paired with Tanev

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

What? he played in the top pair for a playoff team that made it to the second round and was their best defensive dman

I get not everyone likes the player but this is ridiculous

But I thought that team had their face smashed in every game and that’s why Markstrom was such a good signing.

What one is it?

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Funny you didn’t mention it before?

That I didn't mention Tanev in a specific match up vs another player? Didn't know I needed to be that specific...

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Red

Outside of the games played this sounds like Robyn Regher. What a bum.

First of all, that games played is pretty damned big difference. He has missed on average almost 30 games in the last four years. He's barely above 50 games per year in his whole career.

Second, Tanev is no Regehr defensively, and Regehr played in a pretty different era. These days, d-men need to bring offense.

[MrMike]

So did i miss Barrie signing anywhere to compare this to?

[Roof-Daddy]

Well, definitely extremely mixed reviews on this signing.

Hopefully it works out.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I get the feeling that Brodie and his wife maybe had thoughts of being closer to family at home especially with her health, and the fact that Treliving tried already to move Brodie in the offseason helped push him to sign with the Leafs.

Probably why BT didn't trade him elsewhere during the draft, or for additional picks. Calgary made him an offer knowing he would see what Toronto's counter was; The rest was up to Brodie.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Facts.

gotta love a good meat shield.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I'm curious about what makes you say that. I get he's not exactly sexy but he's a phenomenal PKer who scored, you guessed it, the seventh-most points of any Flames forward last year (and there was a pretty big dropoff to eighth).

Lindholm
Monahan
Backlund
Gaudreau
Tkachuk
Mangiapane
Bennett
Dube

All forwards with more value to the flames right now. Arguably Lucic, too.

4th line players who can kill penalties are replaceable. See Tobi Reider’s contract today as evidence. I too like Derek Ryan, but his contract is too rich for his role on this team moving forward.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

This is going to be an interesting contract to see play out.

To me, it is Old School Hockey Vs. New School Hockey.

From a New School Hockey perspective, Tanev's underlying numbers are bad and have been regressing. It looks awful from a numbers perspective. This is Troy Brouwer levels of bad.

From an Old School Hockey perspective, Tanev is a warrior. He blocks shots, he's the ultimate teammate, and has a history of being perceived as being good in his own zone.

How this deal plays out to me is the Eye Test Vs. Analytics all wrapped into one player and one contract.

Tanev's last two years:

CF%: 45.51
SF%: 45.94
GF%: 47.40
xGF%: 46.37
SCF%: 43.95
HDCF%: 46.52
HDGF%: 44.68

Those numbers are putrid.

It's also prudent to mention that in the last 2 years Tanev's offensive zone starts are just 42.3%, 17th lowest in the NHL among defenseman (min. 40gp). For comparison sake, the lowest regular Flames player the last 2 years was Hanifin at 48.6, ranked t-99th

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

But I thought that team had their face smashed in every game and that’s why Markstrom was such a good signing.

What one is it?

They did, Tanev is still far better than a "replacement level player"

Markstrom and Tanev's numbers will both be better with the Flames than rebuilding Vancouver IMO

Just because a team gets outplayed every game doesn't mean they have no good players obviously. Vancouver's D is much worse this season unless they have something up their sleeves

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by timbit

It is incomprehensible to me that people do not understand that UFAs get more money/ salary than restricted players.

Ryan was an excellent signing at exactly what he got.

Literally, there was NO acquisition cost. 35 points a season, great PKer, very good defensively.

Good signing, but wasted as a 4th liner. So he’s probably not value for money at this stage.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

It's also prudent to mention that in the last 2 years Tanev's offensive zone starts are just 42.3%, 17th lowest in the NHL among defenseman (min. 40gp). For comparison sake, the lowest regular Flames player the last 2 years was Hanifin at 48.6, ranked t-99th

Well, obviously.

If a guy is useless offensively, he's not going to get a lot of offensive zone starts.