[Signing] Flames sign Chris Tanev (4 years, $4.5 million AAV)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I was just curious because I've seen more than a few posts about how Brodie was the Flames key to defending McDavid, and Tanev is essentially replacing Brodie.

IMO Backlund is the key to defending McDavid.

[Chingas]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Does Tanev get matched up against McDavid?

And if so, how does he fare against him overall?

insert pretty much every d-man in the league into this question.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

I'd be worried about his skating. It's definitely not what it was and I vividly remember him getting burned at the start of last season

Funny you didn’t mention it before?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Tanev is a mobile defensive defenceman. When was the last time we had one of those (aside from Gio).

Hamonic was considered fairly mobile when acquired.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

a) IMO Ryan is underpaid or (at worst) fairly-paid
b) Ryan is probably the Flames' seventh-best forward, certainly not a fourth-liner

7th best forward?? Derek Ryan is a 4th liner at this point in his career, and not an above average one at that.

[oldschoolcalgary]

figured Calgary was going to sign someone after Brodie left... Tanev was a guy i thought they'd look to.

Price and terms were a little higher than i would have liked. 3years at 4m would have been good, even 4x4.

But not horrible...needed a replacement for Brodie and got one of the better ones available.

i'd still like to add someone like Kahun, as the other guys like Hall and Toffoli are out unless they make a trade.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

I'd be worried about his skating. It's definitely not what it was and I vividly remember him getting burned at the start of last season

I'm curious to know about an outsider's perspective that has seen Tanev at work but still closely watched the Flames:

Tanev or Brodie - for the Flames - at their new deals? All context relevant. Thanks in advance, Blaster.

[Itse]

Tanev is barely a top 4 guy.

Has never played more than 70 games... never in 10 seasons.
Has hit more than 20 points... never.
Has scored more than 2 goals... twice.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

a) IMO Ryan is underpaid or (at worst) fairly-paid
b) Ryan is probably the Flames' seventh-best forward, certainly not a fourth-liner

[OldSam]

I don't mind this move at all. The team as constructed needed changes. These are good changes so far. I hope he comes in and does a great job. I don't imagine Treleving is done. Let's see what else happens.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

7th best forward?? Derek Ryan is a 4th liner at this point in his career, and not an above average one at that.

I'm curious about what makes you say that. I get he's not exactly sexy but he's a phenomenal PKer who scored, you guessed it, the seventh-most points of any Flames forward last year (and there was a pretty big dropoff to eighth).

[GreenLantern2814]

Tanev is a good player. Makes $150k less than Brodie did last year.

Tanev’ lack of Firepower will open up the chance for one of the the young D to take on a more offensive role.

Gio-Rasmus
Hanifin-Tanev
Valimaki-Kylington

Valimaki and Kylington are wild cards - I have no sense for how good either are anymore.

But it’s not a group devoid of talent, that’s for sure.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

the problem is, Ryan is on a very good contract that ends in one year and he is a good player by basically every regard

in my opinion, Tanev is none of those things. IMO we're talking about a good third-line centre vs. a mediocre second-pairing defenseman with substantial injury issues

but I will wait until I see him on the ice

I like Doc, a lot. But calling his contract very good is simply not true, it's average at best when he is being used as a 3C, but of the plan is to use him on the 4th line, it is a poor contract.

[SuperMatt18]

This trajectory does not look good...



This is a bad signing.

[ComixZone]

This is going to be an interesting contract to see play out.

To me, it is Old School Hockey Vs. New School Hockey.

From a New School Hockey perspective, Tanev's underlying numbers are bad and have been regressing. It looks awful from a numbers perspective. This is Troy Brouwer levels of bad.

From an Old School Hockey perspective, Tanev is a warrior. He blocks shots, he's the ultimate teammate, and has a history of being perceived as being good in his own zone.

How this deal plays out to me is the Eye Test Vs. Analytics all wrapped into one player and one contract.

Tanev's last two years:

CF%: 45.51
SF%: 45.94
GF%: 47.40
xGF%: 46.37
SCF%: 43.95
HDCF%: 46.52
HDGF%: 44.68

Those numbers are putrid.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Itse

Tanev is barely a top 4 guy.

Has never played more than 70 games... never in 10 seasons.
Has hit more than 20 points... never.
Has scored more than 2 goals... twice.

Outside of the games played this sounds like Robyn Regher. What a bum.

[theinfinitejar]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

This is going to be an interesting contract to see play out.

To me, it is Old School Hockey Vs. New School Hockey.

From a New School Hockey perspective, Tanev's underlying numbers are bad and have been regressing. It looks awful from a numbers perspective.

From an Old School Hockey perspective, Tanev is s a warrior. He blocks shots, he's the ultimate teammate, and has a history of being good in his own zone.

How this deal plays out to me is the Eye Test Vs. Analytics all wrapped into one player and one contract.

Tanev's last two years:

CF%: 45.51
SF%: 45.94
GF%: 47.40
xGF%: 46.37
SCF%: 43.95
HDCF%: 46.52
HDGF%: 44.68

Those numbers are putrid.

I saw this movie when it wore number 36.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I like Doc, a lot. But calling his contract very good is simply not true, it's average at best when he is being used as a 3C, but of the plan is to use him on the 4th line, it is a poor contract.

And I think if the plan is to use Tanev on the first pairing for four years, it's a disastrous contract.

I liked Tanev in his prime but IMO he is so far past it at this point. He has played one full season in his career. He is signed until he's 34 and he might not be better than replacement level this season.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

This trajectory does not look good...



This is a bad signing.

I don't understand any of this advanced metric/stat stuff, but does it account for playing with a rebuilding team over the last 2-3 years?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I'm curious about what makes you say that. I get he's not exactly sexy but he's a phenomenal PKer who scored, you guessed it, the seventh-most points of any Flames forward last year (and there was a pretty big dropoff to eighth).

Ryan played a bunch more games than either Bennett or Dube, both of whom I place higher in importance to Ryan.