10-09-2020, 01:50 PM
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I didnt catch his name, but Pinder had a super interesting guest this morning specializing in another level of advanced stats (if you are into that). His take was that there are effectively 36 different types of scoring chances that his system tracks. Each team has different scoring chance "types" so something you should consider weighing into your goalie decision is the type of chances your team tends to give up and select a goalie whose strengths play to that.
Based on his models, some teams in his analysis would expect a +50 less goals than expected with Markstrom. This is not the be all end all, but puts some data behind the eye test that Markstrom is better than his save percentage. I dont think I watched a single game last year where the Canucks weren't dominated.
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10-09-2020, 01:50 PM
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#702
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Bay Area
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Originally Posted by Monahammer
Go read supermatt's post and educate yourself.
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Ok big guy. It was a joke. Who here really doesn't think he is one of the top goalies in the league? Come on.
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10-09-2020, 01:50 PM
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#703
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Needs More Cowbell
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Not Canada, Eh?
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Will Bobrovsky waive that NMC to be traded to the Flames? All that matters is Vezina trophies, right?
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10-09-2020, 01:50 PM
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#704
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Threadkiller
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: 51.0544° N, 114.0669° W
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Originally Posted by Bonded
Oh boy, Does your shtick ever get boring to you haha
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Well, in all fairness, this went from being a preferred destination to done, to crickets in the last hour...
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10-09-2020, 01:51 PM
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#705
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Originally Posted by keenan87
Are the Oilers still going for Markstrom or have they found someone?
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They’re outta cap so they need to do the D/G combo and stick with smith.  
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10-09-2020, 01:51 PM
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#706
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dustygoon
totally. Markstrom's save percentage of .918 is only 10 basis points worse than Talbot's .919.
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By this logic Koskinen is better than Price
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10-09-2020, 01:51 PM
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#707
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
Cap friendly had Markstom as a Flame and removed him.
The Flames have messed up no matter how this plays out.
The contract will be too big
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It will fall through as the Flames back out after they verbally agreed
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Markstrom will take the Flames offer (or lower) from the Oilers and turn into a Swedish Carey Price.
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Lmao, you're just impossible to please.
Cant give a fresh take to save your life.
Thanks for offering up yourself for a good stoning though. People here needed something to do while we wait.
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10-09-2020, 01:52 PM
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#708
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Congratulations Flames fans. You got a goaltender that when scoring chances, shot quality etc are taken into account ranks among the very best in the league.
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10-09-2020, 01:52 PM
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#709
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Flames Town
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Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
They’re outta cap so they need to do the D/G combo and stick with smith. |
So, not many other options for Markstrom then, right?
Its almost like teams know he will sign with Calgsry and chose alternative routes.
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10-09-2020, 01:53 PM
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#710
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
He literally was a nominee for the Vezina.
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No he wasn't... In what sense was he a nominee for the Vezina? Every goalie is eligible. No one gets "nominated", in the normal sense of that word.
Usually when people talk about a "Vezina nominee", they mean a top three vote getter. He was not that.
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10-09-2020, 01:53 PM
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Originally Posted by keenan87
So, not many other options for Markstrom then, right?
Its almost like teams know he will sign with Calgsry and chose alternative routes.
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Yup it’s not often you see interested parties go for the backup plans of a position while the big name is still on the board. This is all that has eased my mind.
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10-09-2020, 01:53 PM
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#712
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Is Dominik Hasek still playing roller hockey? Maybe he'd come out of retirement?
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10-09-2020, 01:54 PM
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#713
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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I think the holdup might be clauses. The Flames don't give out NMC and that might be a sticking point with Markstrom. I think they both want to get something done though and ultimately will.
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10-09-2020, 01:54 PM
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardodw
Cap friendly had Markstom as a Flame and removed him.
The Flames have messed up no matter how this plays out.
The contract will be too big
or
It will fall through as the Flames back out after they verbally agreed
or
Markstrom will take the Flames offer (or lower) from the Oilers and turn into a Swedish Carey Price.
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If the sun rises today it will be a bad day. If the sun doesn't rise today it will be a bad day....no matter the outcome...it will be a bad day.
I guess when you constrain all the possible outcomes to being negative...then the outcome will be negative....
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10-09-2020, 01:54 PM
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#715
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by tkflames
I didnt catch his name, but Pinder had a super interesting guest this morning specializing in another level of advanced stats (if you are into that). His take was that there are effectively 36 different types of scoring chances that his system tracks. Each team has different scoring chance "types" so something you should consider weighing into your goalie decision is the type of chances your team tends to give up and select a goalie whose strengths play to that.
Based on his models, some teams in his analysis would expect a +50 less goals than expected with Markstrom. This is not the be all end all, but puts some data behind the eye test that Markstrom is better than his save percentage. I dont think I watched a single game last year where the Canucks weren't dominated.
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Kevin Woodly from In Goal magazine.
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10-09-2020, 01:55 PM
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#716
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All I can get
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Mike Smith to Whitby Dunlops of the Ontario Senior League E5
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10-09-2020, 01:56 PM
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#717
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Franchise Player
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LOL! Will Nault math.
"10% isn't $6 million!"
No, it's 8.15 genius.
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10-09-2020, 01:56 PM
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#718
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop
Mike Smith to Whitby Dunlops of the Ontario Senior League E5
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Why would he do that when the Oilers are still begging goalies to come play for them?
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10-09-2020, 01:57 PM
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#719
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
No he wasn't... In what sense was he a nominee for the Vezina? Every goalie is eligible. No one gets "nominated", in the normal sense of that word.
Usually when people talk about a "Vezina nominee", they mean a top three vote getter. He was not that.
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He was a nominee like every other goalie in the league. No one talks about Vezina nominees. They say finalists and like I said, even that’s not accurate.
He finished 4th in Vezina voting. That’s good. Guess what place Holtby was in the year before he won?
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10-09-2020, 01:58 PM
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#720
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tkflames
If the sun rises today it will be a bad day. If the sun doesn't rise today it will be a bad day....no matter the outcome...it will be a bad day.
I guess when you constrain all the possible outcomes to being negative...then the outcome will be negative....
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I disagree, not signing him would be a positive as it would lead to the rebuild quicker. This team needs a 1C 2C and a 1D more than it needs a 1G currently, Monahan, Backs and Gio are just not good enough sadly.
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