10-09-2020, 01:34 PM
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#641
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Indiana
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Originally Posted by dammage79
This is literally the biggest FA signing of Trelivings career. He better go over this pig with a fine toothed comb and a buffering wheel to get it right.
Botch this one and you're done.
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I agree.
In general, this free agency, with 17 mill in cap, in Treliving's ultimate test.
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10-09-2020, 01:35 PM
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#642
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL
Holtby hasn't been anywhere close to a #1 goalie the last 3 years.
So no.
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Other than the 16 wins, .922SV% and 2.16GAA in the 2018 playoffs.
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10-09-2020, 01:35 PM
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#643
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Oh really? So the Canucks should have no problem getting out from under Loui Eriksson? The Okposo deal is no problem?
This is delusional. Of course it matters.
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Cherry picking. Loui Eriksson sucked when he GOT his last contract. Not a case of "oh he's not quite worth the 6mill this last year". I would say that Markstrom becoming Andrew Hammond is a pretty low risk. Certainly worth it for the chance to have a goalie you have actual confidence in for a few years.
Failing a cap dump, we just go the Chicago route and say he gets rashes from his goalie pads or something.
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10-09-2020, 01:35 PM
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#644
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Originally Posted by dammage79
Clear #2 goalie on the FA list. Next best option. And after that, then next 4 best goalies are now gone as well. All substantially cheaper. Either way, this needs to get done. There's other business that needs tending to.
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Somewhere along to line you missed what I was responding to.
Which was the claim that Holtby’s contract was a steal.
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10-09-2020, 01:35 PM
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#645
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Van Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ
Tre is trying to improve the team by adding a bonafide #1 goaltender. I am surprised how many people seem to be against this.
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"tRe cAnT gEt uS a GoAlIe"
goes out and gets a vezina MVP for under 7 million
Calgary Puck = ........
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10-09-2020, 01:35 PM
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#646
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: St. George's, Grenada
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Also, some guy used the word 'monster', so what? We don't know what he meant by that. His last deal was 3 years, $11M. A $25-30M contract, is a monster compared to that
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One guy that I bet most of us haven't heard of before today sends out a tweet and now, out of nowhere, people are panicking like we're about to give Markstrom Bobrovsky/Price money despite there being zero rumours of any such thing happening
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10-09-2020, 01:36 PM
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#647
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by cannon7
Hall isn't getting $8.5M.
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I’m not going to be surprised if he gets up there. This is free agency, the top end won’t feel the squeeze.
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10-09-2020, 01:36 PM
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#648
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Franchise Player
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nvm
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10-09-2020, 01:37 PM
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#649
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Franchise Player
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If it's 6x7 or 6x6, I hate it.
I just can't commit to goaltenders. Markstrom has been very good the last 2 years, but that's really all he has in his career.
Goalies are voodoo. Very rarely do you find somebody young and consistent like Vasilevsky. Even Price, who many consider to be the best in the league, varies wildly from season to season.
If I was a GM, this is not a bet I'd be willing to make. Markstrom could be great next season, he could be great for all six or seven years, but he could also just fall back to earth. And the samples we have available say either is likely to happen.
I'd save my money here and spend elsewhere.
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10-09-2020, 01:37 PM
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#650
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ComixZone
I’m not going to be surprised if he gets up there. This is free agency, the top end won’t feel the squeeze.
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One never knows in the days of Covid.
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10-09-2020, 01:37 PM
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#651
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
Somewhere along to line you missed what I was responding to.
Which was the claim that Holtby’s contract was a steal.
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Comparatively? Absolutely a steal to what we are peeling out for Markstrom. You can build a better team around Holtby.
Either way, doesn't matter now. We are in this thing too deep and what lies under neath is the abyss.
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10-09-2020, 01:37 PM
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#652
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Brian Elliott at the time we traded for him and Jacob Markstrom now look very similar from an advanced stats perspective.
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That's an indictment of advanced stats, not of Markstrom
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10-09-2020, 01:38 PM
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#653
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ComixZone
...did Steinberg just casually say the talks have backed off?
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That's not how I interpreted that. More that they thought it was close a few hours ago but it's still not done.
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10-09-2020, 01:38 PM
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#654
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CP Gamemaster
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: The Gary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by btimbit
One guy that I bet most of us haven't heard of before today sends out a tweet and now, out of nowhere, people are panicking like we're about to give Markstrom Bobrovsky/Price money despite there being zero rumours of any such thing happening
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Who, Thomas "no one allowed on the Canucks bandwagon cause everyone hated us in 2011" Drance? He seems pretty familiar to me.
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10-09-2020, 01:38 PM
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#655
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Van Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ComixZone
...did Steinberg just casually say the talks have backed off?
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No, you heard wrong, unless this gets rid of the last year.
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10-09-2020, 01:38 PM
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#656
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Lifetime In Suspension
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Maybe it’s a Bishop situation and ownership isn’t answering their phone to sign off on the deal.
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10-09-2020, 01:38 PM
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#657
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dammage79
Comparatively? Absolutely a steal to what we are peeling out for Markstrom. You can build a better team around Holtby.
Either way, doesn't matter now. We are in this thing too deep and what lies under neath is the abyss.
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Is it? Lehner went first for 5.
Talbot is out performing Holtby.
So no, comparatively, it’s terrible.
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10-09-2020, 01:38 PM
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#658
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
St. Louis versus Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
How about from a “does a team want this guy as their starter” perspective? Because Elliot was always a tandem guy, was in St. Louis, was brought in to be, and continues to be.
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Originally Posted by dino7c
He has only ever played for a rebuilding team with bottom 3rd team defence so those numbers should be taken with a grain of salt.
NHL GMs voted him the 4th best goalie last season
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Advanced goalie stats are meant to make up for difference in shot quality and defensive play.
Markstrom had the higher work load for sure but the numbers are the numbers.
Both guys were 30 year olds that didn't have a long history of great play, coming off a season where they had a season that was a bit of a "blip" based on their career numbers.
Markstrom will hopefully be better, but he's not a guy that had multiple seasons of elite play like the Rask, Bishop, Holtby, Price, Vasy, etc of the world. He's had one good, and one great season over the last two years after a career of being average to below average before that and he's on the wrong side of the age curve. Hopefully he's elite and is a top 15 goalie for at least 3 years of this deal, but it's a risky signing.
I posted it yesterday but over the last 10 years it's been rare for long term deals for goalies signed after they turn 28 to work out for the team that signed that deal.
Last edited by SuperMatt18; 10-09-2020 at 01:42 PM.
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10-09-2020, 01:38 PM
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#659
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Calgary
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What other offers could Markstrom still have on the table to have this much leverage?
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10-09-2020, 01:38 PM
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#660
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMike
goes out and gets a vezina MVP
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Has Markstrom ever won, or been nominated for, the Vezina? Or any other award?
Maybe let's not go nuts. The guy is a career decent starter with 1.5 very good (not MVP calibre) seasons, one being a contract year. He isn't prime Brodeur.
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