[Rumour] UPD: Markstrom down to Edmonton or Calgary. Dreger says Oilers out

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Plus you don't have to give up an asset like a draft pick or prospect to get him.

The Flames also have no one in the pipeline looking like they're ready to take over as an NHL starter any time soon, so a multi year deal for the top UFA goalie makes a boat load of sense.

Exactly. And when one does come along (hopefully), they will be cost-controlled for a few years, so Markstrom's contract still won't be a problem.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Alright. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

People will always balk at it though. Back when Bishop was a UFA I wanted the Flames to sign him so badly, most posters here though didn't want nothing to do with him because he was almost 30 and was "over rated".

He's put up the 2nd best save % and GAA in the league since he went to Dallas though, while the Flames continue to cycle through bargain bin.

Feel like most people were on board with Bishop and Flames had just failed to acquire him two times prior. If I'm not mistaken Flames also offered a similar contract but Bishop didn't want to come here then after that.

I think if anything the talk of Bishop being overrated was either related to not wanting to move the 6th overall pick for him (which is very valid) or everyone consoling themselves after the failed trade at deadline day, and then failing to trade for his rights before he went UFA.

And even then 6 years at $4.9M for Markstrom and I'm okay with that, I worry about it though when the rumors are that it could start to climb to 6 years between $6 & $7M.

And really I don't think Markstrom / Bishop are all that comparable either.

When Bishop went UFA he had been great for 5 seasons prior, had a .921 save percentage over that time, had two Vezina finalists, and 41.6 Goals Saved Above Average.

Markstrom over his last 5 seasons had a .913 save percentage, no Vezina finalists, and 13.5 Goals Saved Above Average. So a bit of a gap in performance over the careers of the two goalies up to them becoming UFA as well.

Markstrom is a good goalie but I'm worried we just witnessed his career season, and would be paying a premium for that.

I will still be excited if the Flames sign him tomorrow since he will still easily be our best Goalie since Kipper, but I do worry that contract might not look very good as soon as the 21-22 season just because of his age and since really he didn't have any type of elite performance and was just average prior to this last season. And I'd still rather they do this than move assets for a 30+ goalie like Kuemper, but IMO it's going to be a very risky contract.

[dissentowner]

Markstrom says he won't sign in Edmonton, everybody on HF board predicts he signs in Edmonton. The level of idiocy on that board is incredible.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

From Scorp's UFA thread...

3. Jacob Markstrom (VAN) // Goaltender // Age 30 // 23-16-2, .918
9. Braden Holtby (WSH) // Goaltender // Age 31 // 25-14-6, .897
14. Anton Khudobin (DAL) // Goaltender // Age 34 // 16-8-4, .930
16. Cam Talbot (CGY) // Goaltender // Age 33 // 12-10-1, .919
20. Corey Crawford (CHI) // Goaltender // Age 35 // 16-20-3, .917
25. Thomas Greiss (NYI) // Goaltender // Age 34 // 16-9-4, .913
33*. Henrik Lundqvist (NYR) // Goaltender // Age 38 // 10-12-3, .905
61. Aaron Dell (SJ) // Goaltender // Age 31 // 12-15-3, .907
67. Ryan Miller (ANA) // Goaltender // Age 40 // 9-6-4, .907
73. Craig Anderson (OTT) // Goaltender // Age 39 // 11-17-2, .902
84. Jimmy Howard (DET) // Goaltender // Age 36 // 2-23-2, .882
85. Mike Smith (EDM) // Goaltender // Age 38 // 19-12-6, .902
85*. Cory Schneider (NJ) // Goaltender // Age 34 // 3-6-2, .887

Markstrom is the best goalie on that list, and the youngest, and seems willing to come to Calgary without us having to overpay to make it happen (i.e. we can get him for market, instead of over market, like most UFAs)

Where is that though? I think that's the rub here.

5X5 and a NMC?

More money? More term?

Im fine with acquiring this guy via UFA, Im just not sure Im going to like the price.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Feel like most people were on board with Bishop and Flames had just failed to acquire him two times prior. If I'm not mistaken Flames also offered a similar contract but Bishop didn't want to come here then after that.

I think if anything the talk of Bishop being overrated was either related to not wanting to move the 6th overall pick for him (which is very valid) or everyone consoling themselves after the failed trade at deadline day, and then failing to trade for his rights before he went UFA.

And even then 6 years at $4.9M for Markstrom and I'm okay with that, I worry about it though when the rumors are that it could start to climb to 6 years between $6 & $7M.

And really I don't think Markstrom / Bishop are all that comparable either.

When Bishop went UFA he had been great for 5 seasons prior, had a .921 save percentage over that time, had two Vezina finalists, and 41.6 Goals Saved Above Average.

Markstrom over his last 5 seasons had a .913 save percentage, no Vezina finalists, and 13.5 Goals Saved Above Average. So a bit of a gap in performance over the careers of the two goalies up to them becoming UFA as well.

Markstrom is a good goalie but I'm worried we just witnessed his career season, and would be paying a premium for that.

I will still be excited if the Flames sign him tomorrow since he will still easily be our best Goalie since Kipper, but I do worry that contract might not look very good as soon as the 21-22 season just because of his age and since really he didn't have any type of elite performance and was just average prior to this last season. And I'd still rather they do this than move assets for a 30+ goalie like Kuemper, but IMO it's going to be a very risky contract.

4th in voting this year, IIRC

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Markstrom says he won't sign in Edmonton, everybody on HF board predicts he signs in Edmonton. The level of idiocy on that board is incredible.

LeBrun, Dreger, Friedman seem to be saying the Oilers are in. The only one saying no is a Vancouver radio host.

[sureLoss]

Sportsnet 650 @Sportsnet650
.@irfgaffar on Markstrom: At some point something has to give. I'm of the belief that as soon as 9:01am comes tomorrow - Calgary will call Jacob Markstrom. They could go 6 years and $6 million a year.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

LeBrun, Dreger, Friedman seem to be saying the Oilers are in. The only one saying no is a Vancouver radio host.

LeBrun, Dreger, Friedman are saying that Edmonton is interested.

Vancouver radio is saying that Markstrom is not interested.

Takes both sides.

[kukkudo]

I might missed it but why can’t the Canucks offer that? Or any team?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

I might missed it but why can’t the Canucks offer that? Or any team?

I don't think money or term are the issue with Van, the problem is Markstrom wants a NMC to keep him exempt from expansion and Van doesn't want to do that because then they can't protect Demko if he shows even more progression next season.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

I might missed it but why can’t the Canucks offer that? Or any team?

They could, though they do have some cap challenges.

But the reason they don't have him signed already isn't money, it's expansion draft protection. They wouldn't guarantee him that they would protect him, because of Demko.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Sportsnet 650 @Sportsnet650
.@irfgaffar on Markstrom: At some point something has to give. I'm of the belief that as soon as 9:01am comes tomorrow - Calgary will call Jacob Markstrom. They could go 6 years and $6 million a year.

I thought teams could call as of midnight ET, but just couldn't sign anyone until Noon ET?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I thought teams could call as of midnight ET, but just couldn't sign anyone until Noon ET?

Always been noon.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

LeBrun, Dreger, Friedman are saying that Edmonton is interested.

Vancouver radio is saying that Markstrom is not interested.

Takes both sides.

Yeah....those can all be true.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Always been noon.

No it hasn't for the last several years there was a week to talk to people before. I'm pretty sure before that you could talk as of midnight on July 1, but just couldn't put pen to paper until noon and that was a big reason why sop many deals were done at noon.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

They could, though they do have some cap challenges.

But the reason they don't have him signed already isn't money, it's expansion draft protection. They wouldn't guarantee him that they would protect him, because of Demko.

Again, the Canucks have 18 or so million right now to get 2 d, a goalie and a forward. Then close to 40 million next season.

Assuming the D are going to be guys like Juolevi and Rafferty and now it's 15 million for a goalie and a forward.

Money isn't the issue. Someone on the Athletic was saying he has a source saying that the Canucks are offering a lucrative 7 year deal. The hold up continues to be the lack of a NMC year one.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Again, the Canucks have 18 or so million right now to get 2 d, a goalie and a forward. Then close to 40 million next season.

Assuming the D are going to be guys like Juolevi and Rafferty and now it's 15 million for a goalie and a forward.

Money isn't the issue. Someone on the Athletic was saying he has a source saying that the Canucks are offering a lucrative 7 year deal. The hold up continues to be the lack of a NMC year one.

No they won't

They also don't have 18M right now I'm not sure where you are pulling these numbers out of

100% though the NMC is the hold up...Why would Markstrom sign without one?

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by dino7c

No they won't

Going into it? Yes they will. They'll about a third of it to re-sign Pettersson and Hughes. But that's legitimately why I am laughing at the #### some people post here about how hard it will be to get them done. Even if we don't bridge them (we will) there is more than enough space to sign them. The reality is, last season was house money. This season we've got real skin in the game, but next season is when we need to start making hay.


Edit- Forgot the Luongo recapture. whoopsie. 15 mil

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Again, the Canucks have 18 or so million right now to get 2 d, a goalie and a forward. Then close to 40 million next season.

Assuming the D are going to be guys like Juolevi and Rafferty and now it's 15 million for a goalie and a forward.

Money isn't the issue. Someone on the Athletic was saying he has a source saying that the Canucks are offering a lucrative 7 year deal. The hold up continues to be the lack of a NMC year one.

I realize this is getting off-topic, but has Juolevi finally started to look like a good bet? Not trolling, genuinely curious since I don't really follow Canucks prospects.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

https://mobile.twitter.com/taj1944/s...15531499970560

News out of Vancouver is no way Markstrom wants to live in Edmonton. I know this was discussed a couple days ago but the radio host is doubling down on that opinion.

Two months of the bubble definitely sealed it.

Well done edmonton hosting the playoffs, of which your team played a week and a half, and subsequently nuking your UFA chances. You think players were going to want to go back to that wretched place and live there after they were conditioned over weeks to view it as a prison keep them away from their families?