2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Not happening. Monahan is not going anywhere.

That said, if there was similar potential for say... Monahan & Kylington for Eichel... sign me up.

But of course, that's a ridiculously lowball offer, same as the Rangers, so we can all carry on.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Icon

That said, if there was similar potential for say... Monahan & Kylington for Eichel... sign me up.

But of course, that's a ridiculously lowball offer, same as the Rangers, so we can all carry on.

Yup, I just thought it was funny.

Monahan + Hanifin for Eichel. Get it booked.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

They aren't actually. They just don't want to give up bargaining position.



"Don't pretend people want to go to Vancouver, other than all these players that want to go to Vancouver!"

Never forget, the Flames offered more for Jay Beagle and he chose to take less to not play there =-o.



Could it happen? Sure. Will it happen? Maybe. Could they build off that thanks to having that veteran leadership keeping the team honest? Yep.

The Canucks are so great you spend all your time on a Flames message board for some reason

[bluejays]

I think as a flames fan, with so much cost uncertainty in pro sports right now, we should be preparing for a free agency letdown. Ownership has been a little stingy in recent years, and with the uncertainty around what’s happening next year I don’t think they take the risk and sign anyone to a big contract. Of the rumours of Hall are true and he’s considering signing a short term deal it’s because his agents have told him money may be tight and he may need to try over again next year to strike it rich. Maybe some wealthy teams will dive right in but I can’t see this ownership group really opening the vault under these circumstances.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

They aren't actually. They just don't want to give up bargaining position.



"Don't pretend people want to go to Vancouver, other than all these players that want to go to Vancouver!"

Never forget, the Flames offered more for Jay Beagle and he chose to take less to not play there =-o.



Could it happen? Sure. Will it happen? Maybe. Could they build off that thanks to having that veteran leadership keeping the team honest? Yep.

Jay Beagle wanted to play for the Flames, it was the Flames that did not want him.

[Dude Where's Makar?]

Josh Anderson and Jake Virtanen are two RWs i'd like to add. Both have good speed, size, physicality and goalscoring ability. Adding two RHS with these attributes above would make us more difficult to play against and wouldn't cost us the farm.

Johnny - Monahan - Anderson
Tkatchuk - Backlund - Lindholm
Mangi - Bennett - Virtanen

I like the looks of that top 9. Good mix of skill and size.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The Canucks are so great you spend all your time on a Flames message board for some reason

Someone's gotta keep you crazy folk that think you're getting Hall, Markstrom and Pietrangelo honest! Plus I am proselytizing!

Originally Posted by Jiggy

Jay Beagle wanted to play for the Flames, it was the Flames that did not want him.

Pretty sure it's the other way around, but okay.

[dino7c]

You should be more worried about your team losing their best player for nothing

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Boston would have to add. Both Flames players are better than both Bruins players, I don’t like the proposal much

I can see an argument for Hanifin being better than Carlo, but DeBrusk is absolutely better than Mangiapane.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You should be more worried about your team losing their best player for nothing

I did have a legit dream the Canucks traded Pettersson 1-for-1 for Gaudreau, and it made me really sad.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I can see an argument for Hanifin being better than Carlo, but DeBrusk is absolutely better than Mangiapane.

There is definitely an argument to be made for Mangiapane.

Here's how they compared 5v5 last season (Mangiapane left, DeBrusk right):

Goals: 15 vs 12
Goals/60: 1.04 vs 0.86
Primary Assists: 11 vs 6
Primary Assists/60: 0.77 vs 0.43
Points: 29 vs 23
Points/60: 2.02 vs 1.65
ixGF/60: 0.80 vs 0.75
iSCF/60: 9.40 vs 8.04
iHDCF/60: 4.25 vs 3.66

Mangiapane was much better across the board 5v5.

On top of being much better from an individual standpoint, Mangiapane also had significantly better possession and scoring chance rates than DeBrusk.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Dude Where's Makar?

Josh Anderson and Jake Virtanen are two RWs i'd like to add. Both have good speed, size, physicality and goalscoring ability. Adding two RHS with these attributes above would make us more difficult to play against and wouldn't cost us the farm.

Johnny - Monahan - Anderson
Tkatchuk - Backlund - Lindholm
Mangi - Bennett - Virtanen

I like the looks of that top 9. Good mix of skill and size.

I don’t think Virtanen is that great of an add personally. Would rather keep Dube in that spot.

I like the idea of adding Anderson though!

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Never forget, the Flames offered more for Jay Beagle and he chose to take less to not play there

Genuinely curious if you have evidence for this. I don't remember the Flames being linked to Beagle at all other than the "he's from Calgary so maybe..." radio speculation that pops up everytime a home town kid becomes a free agent. But its been a few years and my brains been abused by drugs and watching a mediocre hockey team for 30 years.

As I remember it Calgary was linked to Derek Ryan pretty early on and Beagle was linked to the Canucks shortly after it was announced he was going to be a free agent.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Super-Rye

Genuinely curious if you have evidence for this. I don't remember the Flames being linked to Beagle at all other than the "he's from Calgary so maybe..." radio speculation that pops up everytime a home town kid becomes a free agent. But its been a few years and my brains been abused by drugs and watching a mediocre hockey team for 30 years.

As I remember it Calgary was linked to Derek Ryan pretty early on and Beagle was linked to the Canucks shortly after it was announced he was going to be a free agent.

I'm actually trying to remember where I saw it, so I may have just made it up. I'm almost positive it was something that ended up on the Canucks subreddit at some point, but can't find it to save my gosh darn life.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

There is definitely an argument to be made for Mangiapane.

Here's how they compared 5v5 last season (Mangiapane left, DeBrusk right):

Goals: 15 vs 12
Goals/60: 1.04 vs 0.86
Primary Assists: 11 vs 6
Primary Assists/60: 0.77 vs 0.43
Points: 29 vs 23
Points/60: 2.02 vs 1.65
ixGF/60: 0.80 vs 0.75
iSCF/60: 9.40 vs 8.04
iHDCF/60: 4.25 vs 3.66

Mangiapane was much better across the board 5v5.

On top of being much better from an individual standpoint, Mangiapane also had significantly better possession and scoring chance rates than DeBrusk.

Ok, an argument can be made, but I personally would take DeBrusk 10/10 times. Although I think they would compliment each other nicely on the ice.

Let's also not forget that Mangiapane spent the Season with Tkachuk and Backlund, while Debrusk was with Krejci and whomever was the winger of the week, of which Kuhlman was the most common.

And I don't really care about per 60, because offensive production is not linear like that. DeBrusk outproduced Mangiapane overall playing with lesser linemates. He's also more physical and unlike Mangiapane doesn't fall 3x a shift.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Thoughts on

Mangipane+Hanifin
For
Debrusk+Carlo

?

This is much better than a Debrusk/ Hanifin swap.

But I expect we will regret trading Hanifin.

Debrusk is just OK. Wingers peak earlier than dmen.


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[JTech780]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Ok, an argument can be made, but I personally would take DeBrusk 10/10 times. Although I think they would compliment each other nicely on the ice.

Let's also not forget that Mangiapane spent the Season with Tkachuk and Backlund, while Debrusk was with Krejci and whomever was the winger of the week, of which Kuhlman was the most common.

And I don't really care about per 60, because offensive production is not linear like that. DeBrusk outproduced Mangiapane overall playing with lesser linemates. He's also more physical and unlike Mangiapane doesn't fall 3x a shift.

I know hits aren't the end all be all of measuring physical play, but Mangiapane had 73 hits compared to Debrusk 35.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Debrusk is just OK. Wingers peak earlier than dmen.

Is this that true anymore? In recent years, more and more, we've started to see a lot of young d-men buck this trend and step into the NHL ready to go. Especially young d-men with high pedigree, which Hanafin was touted to be.

[bax]

I'm really hoping OEL lands in Vancouver

[Poe969]

Carlo is a pretty great dman IMO and will get even better, id do that deal.