2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Even then, 2nd pairing defenceman >> 2nd line LW. Especially when we’re already loaded with left shots on the left side.

Agreed. I don’t think a DeBrusk-Hanifin trade makes much sense from a Flames standpoint. If the Flames could find a mid 20’s top 6 RHS RW for Hanifin that would be worth considering for sure.

[Vinny01]

Thoughts on

Mangipane+Hanifin
For
Debrusk+Carlo

?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Thoughts on

Mangipane+Hanifin
For
Debrusk+Carlo

?

Boston would have to add. Both Flames players are better than both Bruins players, I don’t like the proposal much

[Scroopy Noopers]

Hard no to trading a top 4 d man with multi years remaining on a sub $5mil deal for a RFA.

[SuperMatt18]

I think Hanifin maybe gets a bad rap since he's not the most flashy or physical but a guy that does everything well but not great...he's a little bit Jaybo 2.0 but younger and signed to a better contract.

Over the last two seasons (his time as a Flame) he's where he sits among d-men who have played 1000 or more minutes at 5v5. (194 qualified d-men)

Goals: 7 (tied 61st)
Assists: 31 (tied 37th)
Points: 38 (tied 43rd)

Giveaways: 134 (Tied 9th)
Takeaways: 69 (tied 13th)
Hits: 151 (Tied 78th)
Shots Blocked: 144 (Tied 84th)

CF%: 51.70% (52nd)
HDCF%: 53.2% (45th)
xGF%: 51.60% (69th)

And based on some of the advanced stats he's really strong at possession exits and entries as well.



The guy is a top 60 d-men in the league, and even though maybe he didn't live up to his billing as a top 5 pick he's still a guy that's an okay #2 d-man and great #3 d-man IMO.

Unless you are getting a similar aged, similar potential forward back in return they shouldn't be trading him IMO.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Who are we bitter about? What are you talking about?

Every time the Flames have been in on a player with any form of a movement clause, other than a washed up Lucic, or in on a UFA they've said "Nah, I'm good!" and then poor Treliving has to do another presser saying "We were in on it! We were close! We swear!" It'd be embittering!

Originally Posted by Vinny01

We will see if Markstrom ends up here or not but no one wants OEL. I hope your team pays a price to get him and enjoys having that deal on the books for the next 7 years.

I hope we don't get him! But like getting hit on by someone I am not interested in, it's still flattering to be wanted!

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Your boy Dim Jim comes from the Chiarelli GM tree and has already put your team in a tight cap spot before they pay their franchise cornerstones. Sutter, Eriksson, Rousel, Beagle, Myers, Baertschi all garbage contracts.

Garbage contracts, maybe. But we have those corner stones under "Dim Jim" and they have experienced vets who played the right way and did the work off the ice that has imprinted on those corner stones. Other than Myers, all those contracts are up by the time we're in for the real cap crunch. I think we'll be fine.

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

he's a little bit Jaybo 2.0

Accurate. I probably would not trade Hanafin for DeBrusk straight up.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Every time the Flames have been in on a player with any form of a movement clause, other than a washed up Lucic, or in on a UFA they've said "Nah, I'm good!" and then poor Treliving has to do another presser saying "We were in on it! We were close! We swear!" It'd be embittering!



I hope we don't get him! But like getting hit on by someone I am not interested in, it's still flattering to be wanted!



Garbage contracts, maybe. But we have those corner stones under "Dim Jim" and they have experienced vets who played the right way and did the work off the ice that has imprinted on those corner stones. Other than Myers, all those contracts are up by the time we're in for the real cap crunch. I think we'll be fine.

Riding horseshoes. Vancouver is no good.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Riding horseshoes. Vancouver is no good.

Good goaltending and timely scoring got the 2004 Flames to the final.

[Icon]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I think Hanifin maybe gets a bad rap...

Completely agree, and thank you for putting this post together because frankly I'm too lazy to do so.

Trading Hanifin has potential to look like a massive failure from the Flames. The only saving grace is if part of the return is a future core piece (#1C, etc).

He's a solid defenseman, on a good contract.

I think he just doesn't have the flash/flair. Most nights I don't even think about how well/bad he played, which is perfectly fine for his role. If he steps forward a bit on offense, great, but that likely comes from deployment (pp/etc). If he bulks up a bit and throws his body around some more, great, though I doubt that happens since it hasn't been his M.O.

Frankly right now, he's a solid 2nd pair guy. Maybe he steps into a top pair (since he's still really young) and we shake our heads at all this discussion in a few years...

I don't see Hanifin as a trade piece at all unless it's a blockbuster. Good contract for what he brings, still lots of potential, not being pressured from prospects for his role.

If we trade Hanifin, it's because the other team demanded him (even as a part of a package) for someone everyone is surprised we were able to get.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Kevin Paul Dupont @GlobeKPD
Growing buzz regarding clubs interested in dealing for Bruins' DeBrusk.

Why would they trade him?

Don't they need young players.

Strange.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Why would they trade him?

Don't they need young players.

Strange.

I present to you one Tyler Seguin.

Boston has this ####ed up thing where if young players don't immediately adapt to internal culture, they cut them.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Every time the Flames have been in on a player with any form of a movement clause, other than a washed up Lucic, or in on a UFA they've said "Nah, I'm good!" and then poor Treliving has to do another presser saying "We were in on it! We were close! We swear!" It'd be embittering!



I hope we don't get him! But like getting hit on by someone I am not interested in, it's still flattering to be wanted!



Garbage contracts, maybe. But we have those corner stones under "Dim Jim" and they have experienced vets who played the right way and did the work off the ice that has imprinted on those corner stones. Other than Myers, all those contracts are up by the time we're in for the real cap crunch. I think we'll be fine.



Accurate. I probably would not trade Hanafin for DeBrusk straight up.

The NTC sucks but not shocking. We are talking small market western Canada here so no doubt the Flames are a bottom 5 destination in the league. It is why I think the need to pounce on guys like Hall or Markstrom if they are interested in coming here.

Don’t pretend Vancouver is a top destination for all players. Swedes like it in there but it is not like other free agents are tripping over themselves to get there.

I am glad you are happy with your team but I won’t be surprised if there is a crash back down to earth next year.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Good goaltending and timely scoring got the 2004 Flames to the final.

You're living in the past. Sound like an Oilers fan now.

[Bonded]

So apparently the HF NYR insiders have now moved on to Monahan to the Rangers for DeAngelo or Buchnevich.

My favorite part is then if they get Monahan for Buchnevich then they flip Monahan + DeAngelo for Eichel.

[Jacks]

I don't want to trade Hanifin until we see how he looks for a couple of months not stapled to Hamonic. I haven't studied the stats but he looked good when paired with Anderson. That might have more to do with Anderson propping him up I suppose?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I think Hanifin maybe gets a bad rap since he's not the most flashy or physical but a guy that does everything well but not great...he's a little bit Jaybo 2.0 but younger and signed to a better contract.

Over the last two seasons (his time as a Flame) he's where he sits among d-men who have played 1000 or more minutes at 5v5. (194 qualified d-men)

Goals: 7 (tied 61st)
Assists: 31 (tied 37th)
Points: 38 (tied 43rd)

Giveaways: 134 (Tied 9th)
Takeaways: 69 (tied 13th)
Hits: 151 (Tied 78th)
Shots Blocked: 144 (Tied 84th)

CF%: 51.70% (52nd)
HDCF%: 53.2% (45th)
xGF%: 51.60% (69th)

And based on some of the advanced stats he's really strong at possession exits and entries as well.



The guy is a top 60 d-men in the league, and even though maybe he didn't live up to his billing as a top 5 pick he's still a guy that's an okay #2 d-man and great #3 d-man IMO.

Unless you are getting a similar aged, similar potential forward back in return they shouldn't be trading him IMO.

Great post. And as noted by Scroopy, he is on a great contract.

Hopefully he doesn’t get traded. I would think there is “smoke” around trading him because other GM’s are inquiring. Not because the Flames are shopping him.

If he is traded, it better be a deal that is heavily lopsided in favour of the Flames.

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[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

What is debrusk?
35-45 point guy? More?
I don't watch enough Boston to know how he's deployed. I assume 2nd line? Does he get pp time? 1st or 2nd?

Unless the Flames forecast a significant jump in production, I can't see why he would be worth (what I assume) would be a large ask from Boston.

Kid is a gritty 5v5 goalscorer. When you look at LWs since he joined the league his numbers are impressive, 32rd in points, 28th in goals. His 30 PP points so far in his career are also pretty solid considering he's on the 2nd PP unit.

A third line of him, Bennett and Dube would be hell to play against.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bonded

So apparently the HF NYR insiders have now moved on to Monahan to the Rangers for DeAngelo or Buchnevich.

My favorite part is then if they get Monahan for Buchnevich then they flip Monahan + DeAngelo for Eichel.

Not happening. Monahan is not going anywhere.

[Toonage]

Anyone listening to Friedman on 960 right now? Or have you heard him lately? Sounds like a guy who has no sources or they've all dried up. Super vague, more so than usual.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The NTC sucks but not shocking. We are talking small market western Canada here so no doubt the Flames are a bottom 5 destination in the league. It is why I think the need to pounce on guys like Hall or Markstrom if they are interested in coming here.

They aren't actually. They just don't want to give up bargaining position.

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Don’t pretend Vancouver is a top destination for all players. Swedes like it in there but it is not like other free agents are tripping over themselves to get there.

"Don't pretend people want to go to Vancouver, other than all these players that want to go to Vancouver!"

Never forget, the Flames offered more for Jay Beagle and he chose to take less to not play there =-o.

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I am glad you are happy with your team but I won’t be surprised if there is a crash back down to earth next year.

Could it happen? Sure. Will it happen? Maybe. Could they build off that thanks to having that veteran leadership keeping the team honest? Yep.