2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Yes the evidence is the trades proposed in this thread.

That’s not evidence. It’s speculation.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

A one year deal opens the possibility of an 8 year extension at the mid-point of the season. So being creative could also essentially give him 9 years with one team.

And adding Hall without having to trade Gaudreau would easily make the Flames contenders in the eyes of many.

I doubt that Halls’s motivation to sign a 1year deal to to lever it into a 9 year deal, the risk is simply to great.

He’ll sign a 1-year deal if he doesn’t like the other options, and then likely with a contender.


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[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I doubt that Halls’s motivation to sign a 1year deal to to lever it into a 9 year deal, the risk is simply to great.

He’ll sign a 1-year deal if he doesn’t like the other options, and then likely with a contender.


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The risk is too great? He'd only have to stay healthy for half a season. Significantly less risk (well basically half the risk) than a 1 year with a contender and then signing longer term after with another team.

And as said, adding Hall at an affordable 1 year cap hit and not losing a top player to make room would make us contenders

[Gaudreau is a Ninja]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Yes the evidence is the trades proposed in this thread.

Lol you actually believe or put any weight in the trade proposals on this thread!? You read Eklund too don’t you.

[Toonage]

Hall said he wants to compete. I read that as he wants to go a team that is already knocking on the door. That isn't the Flames. Maybe consider this a blessing in disguise.

As for contracts, some players might want to take a chance on the cap going up in 2 or 3 years and taking another run at UFA while they are still young.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Gaudreau is a Ninja

Lol you actually believe or put any weight in the trade proposals on this thread!? You read Eklund too don’t you.

Lol good one Lethbridge.

[Owen15]

I think from a risk assessment it’s not just staying healthy but also that the cap won’t go dramatically down.

League revenues are going to struggle without gate revenues and a new tv deal (still to come I think???).

I can’t imagine Hall will sign a short term deal unless he is very dissatisfied with the offers and opportunities presented to him.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Hall said he wants to compete. I read that as he wants to go a team that is already knocking on the door. That isn't the Flames. Maybe consider this a blessing in disguise.

As for contracts, some players might want to take a chance on the cap going up in 2 or 3 years and taking another run at UFA while they are still young.

Why is that not the Flames? This team is a lot closer than you think.

[Toonage]

The Avs are probably closer. Just as an example.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Toonage

The Avs are probably closer. Just as an example.

The Avs are my only concern. If I had Taylor Halls skill set and speed I’d be signing up for playing with MacKinnon, or McDavid if he wasn’t in Edmonton.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Maybe Brouwer but Neal was most certainly market value, regardless of how it turned out.

His contracts though for the vast majority of his time have been at or under where most thought they would land.

Again though it doesnt matter unless Hall really really wants to play in Calgary, there are other teams that make far more sense both long and short term.

He overpaid Neal by giving him the 5th year.

AAV I agree with you.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Maybe Brouwer but Neal was most certainly market value, regardless of how it turned out.

His contracts though for the vast majority of his time have been at or under where most thought they would land.

Again though it doesnt matter unless Hall really really wants to play in Calgary, there are other teams that make far more sense both long and short term.

This is true. Gio was going to get 9 according to CP, Johnny too.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Teroy

Dadonov ???

I have wondered about this one... Don't know much about the player other than to see his production, which is good. Left shot right wing... Not ideal but still fills a need in the top 6. 31 years old, so term would have to be 3 years or less I would hope. Tre might be hesitant based on the Neal and Brouwer failures.

But, could they see him as the Hudler type for Johnny and Monny? Might be be one of these second tier guys who is forced to take less money and term because of the wonky market. Do the flames envision a powerhouse 2-way line of tkachuk-Backlund-Lindholm morphing into one of the league's best like I do? Everything clicks on this team if they get a drink stirring offensive rw in the mold of a Hudler.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Dadonov
Tkachuk-Backlund-Lindholm
Mang-Bennett-Dube

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Why is that not the Flames? This team is a lot closer than you think.

The Flames and most of their players do not have a reputation of stepping up in the playoffs.


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[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Correct me if I am wrong here, but didn't Arizona pay out around a 4 million dollar cheque already to OEL? That leaves 4 million and change left for the season on an 8 million cap hit.



If the above is true, Arizona shouldn't be so desperate to trade him - his cap hit is double that of whatever he has owning to him now. Unless they get what they deem is fair in return, I would just sit on OEL until the next off-season - or at least the trade deadline. That's the exact contract that they are looking to keep, no?


Unless OEL has demanded a trade, I don't think at this point Arizona will be in a hurry to trade him any longer, and they can be patient and see what next season brings - though injury risk/further devaluation certainly is a risk that perhaps they aren't comfortable with.

Yes, he had a $4M bonus this year. So the real cost of keeping him for this season is $4M. And that is just another reason why I say they are not (or at least should not) be desperate to trade him. And if they are smart, they will only trade him if the return is worthwhile.

They have so many other options, including:

Kessel: $6.8M
Stepan: $6.5M
Goligoski: $5.475M (only 1 yr, so no worries with the exp draft)
Hjalmarsson: $5M (also 1 yr)

This idea that they will give him away, because they have to, is off the mark IMO.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

The risk is too great? He'd only have to stay healthy for half a season. Significantly less risk (well basically half the risk) than a 1 year with a contender and then signing longer term after with another team.

And as said, adding Hall at an affordable 1 year cap hit and not losing a top player to make room would make us contenders

When you are gambling a huge number of millions, any risk is likely too great.

And if he does sign a 1year deal, if ‘s not likely at a low cap hit.

And the Flames and he cannot pre-agree to an 8 year extension in advance.


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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

This is true. Gio was going to get 9 according to CP, Johnny too.

To be fair, posters where looking at Johnny’s cap hit on an 8 year deal, not 6. We didn’t realize Johnny would insist on a much shorter term to reach UFA at a time when he was younger.


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[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The Flames and most of their players do not have a reputation of stepping up in the playoffs.


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EVERY player has been on a team that fell flat in the playoffs. Every player has been on a team that wasn't performing the way they should, but eventually pulled it together.

Every player believes their team can win (other than while in a full rebuild).

No one could have guessed STL last year. Or Dallas this year. Every year there are surprises.

This idea that players are all going to shun the Flames because they haven't won yet is silly. Sure, some players don't like this team or that team, but for he most part, most players have played with, and are friends with, players from almost every other team.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

When you are gambling a huge number of millions, any risk is likely too great.

And if he does sign a 1year deal, if ‘s not likely at a low cap hit.

And the Flames and he cannot pre-agree to an 8 year extension in advance.


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Again, less risk that 1 year and then moving to another team.

Affordable and low aren't necessarily the same thing, and they can verbally agree to something, they just can't do it officially.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

EVERY player has been on a team that fell flat in the playoffs. Every player has been on a team that wasn't performing the way they should, but eventually pulled it together.

Every player believes their team can win (other than while in a full rebuild).

No one could have guessed STL last year. Or Dallas this year. Every year there are surprises.

This idea that players are all going to shun the Flames because they haven't won yet is silly. Sure, some players don't like this team or that team, but for he most part, most players have played with, and are friends with, players from almost every other team.

And thinking you can bring your childhood team to that level would be a pretty tempting motivator.