2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Vinny01]

Per Sportsnet Taylor Hall is going to be open to creative and short term deals which I think could hurt the Flames chances of signing him.

Calgary is going to have to come with a 6-7 year offer to have a chance in my opinion.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by TOfan

The hype machine is very true. There is an entire industry whose job it is to create content. Blogs, podcasts, broadcast journalists, radio jockeys all feeding the rumour mill at the moment. Often the amount of hype falls well short of the actual happenings. I thought Treliving poured some cold water on the ‘core must go’ commentary last week. It may happen, but don’t be shocked if it doesn’t.

On the other hand, the Flames including the 19OA pick in a trade is unfathomable for some here. I can distinctly recall the amount of consternation surrounding the 13OA pick we gave up as part of the Jokinen trade. There was an awful lot of people who thought Brandon Gromley was the second coming of Scott Niedermeyer. How on Earth could the Flames be so stupid??

Quite true but people tend to remember that J. Benn was a 5th rounder. Hell, even Mark Messier was a 3rd rounder.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I think its a long shot, at best, that Hall signs in Calgary and if he does it will be because they offer him way more money than others. So an overpay.... which is neither BT's MO nor something the club can afford and still fill other holes.

IMO I think its pretty likely he signs in Nashville and gets reunited with Hynes who he had his Hart season playing under. The suggestion of buying out Turris and a couple other moves they have made seems to support the idea the Preds are doing something major this next week.

If not Nashville then to me Colorado makes all kinds of sense if he is chasing a cup which is a big probability.

Actually that is his MO.

He overpaid James Neal and Troy Brouwer.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Per Sportsnet Taylor Hall is going to be open to creative and short term deals which I think could hurt the Flames chances of signing him.

Calgary is going to have to come with a 6-7 year offer to have a chance in my opinion.

Agreed, I think this wouldn’t bold well for the Flames chances. We’ve heard speculation that Hall could be interested in Colorado (they have the cap space to go heavy on a one year deal), Nashville (Hall and Hynes have a very good relationship), and Dallas. If Hall is looking for a shot at the cup over the next 1-3 years, I would say those teams could be seen as more appealing than the Flames.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Agreed, I think this wouldn’t bold well for the Flames chances. We’ve heard speculation that Hall could be interested in Colorado (they have the cap space to go heavy on a one year deal), Nashville (Hall and Hynes have a very good relationship), and Dallas. If Hall is looking for a shot at the cup over the next 1-3 years, I would say those teams could be seen as more appealing than the Flames.

Flames do have Geoff Ward who was the lead assistant when Hall won the Hart and was gone next year when the Devils fell back down to earth. Hoping for a good relationship there and also lean on the hometown angle and offer him max term with good bonuses.

[Gaudreau is a Ninja]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Per Sportsnet Taylor Hall is going to be open to creative and short term deals which I think could hurt the Flames chances of signing him.

Calgary is going to have to come with a 6-7 year offer to have a chance in my opinion.

I don’t see how this would affect Calgary, bottom line is the Flames has cap space and a young talented team. Hall I’m sure has to be intrigued to sign with Calgary wether it’s long or short term. With that said I’m going to laugh when Tre acquires a player or makes a trade that nobody saw coming.

[serratedmuffin]

Originally Posted by New Era

I used to love the draft, because it was all about the future and really digging into the young players to make a call on who would become a good NHLer and who would bust under the load unreasonable expectation. Now I absolutely hate the draft because it is a massive hype cycle built out of nothing. The amount of hype means that the larger percentage of these players are going to bust. I mean look at this post.




11 number one centers "staring us in the face." The hype is insane. Now we're willing to trade franchise level talent for a lottery ticket to get a crack at drafting the hype surrounding these kids. It seems every second or third year is considered the "next 2003" and this is "the deepest draft in years" and every year they turn into big busts. Have we learned nothing from the year the Flames had three first round picks, or watching the Oilers draft four first overall picks? The draft is a crapshoot. The allure has really faded as the hype has built.

I agree with most of what you're saying. Most of the picks won't really amount to anything to write home about, but even in your example there is good picks. The first of our 3 picks from that draft is our 1st line center. You're never going to get back a piece as valuable as Gaudreau in a trade. I'm willing to hitch my wagon to Rossi on that front because almost all drafts have studs in the top 10, you just have to nail the pick. Using 5 years ago as an example since each draft needs 5 years to see where they're at: 8 is provorov, 9 is Werenski, 10 is Meier all solid picks.
If you think I'm cherry picking the year, the one before that draft is Nylander, Ehlers, Ritchie.

No team is usually that much better than drafting and developing and so ideally you stockpile picks like a maniac and you'll just hit more often. Doing that with a Gaudreau trade seems unlikely for Treliving as it signals rebuild so I'd hope he'd go for Rossi who has high upside, is NHL ready and gives the Flames the best of both worlds and you hope it works. All you can do as a fan is hope for what you think is the best, realistic outcome.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

There is a precedent.

Marian Hossa signed a 1 year deal with the Red Wings to chase a cup. Then signed a massive deal with Chicago.

edit: The Oilers were reportedly offering him stupid money too IIRC.
https://www.si.com/hockey/news/top-f...%20Wings%20for

The Oilers stupid money was because they were bad and desperate.

Hossa is the closest there is to precedent but AC has a point in Hall's health, while Hall might potentially be comfortable with the risk, you know his agent is not. Not only could an injury on a short contract force a second short contract at lesser dollars, but with Hall aging and collecting injuries like Pokemon, it becomes increasingly likely that another serious injury is something he doesn't come back as the same player from.

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Calgary Flames offered Noah Hanifin, Sam Bennett to New Jersey Devils for Taylor Hall and Sami Vatanen

The fact that the Flames offered those assets for two short term rentals is kind of horrifying.
It seems the Flames have no interest whatsoever in stockpiling assets and are completely going for it. This is despite the fact that they barely made the playoffs and up to four of the defensemen may be walking away as UFAs.

Trading Gaudreau for youth would be going the other way. It doesn't seem like the Flames have this rationale in mind.
Although maybe losing in round 1 made them change their minds.

The offer to the Devils was not as short term rentals, it has been stated throughout it depended on a Hall extension. It is entirely possible it was the same for Vatanen.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Per Sportsnet Taylor Hall is going to be open to creative and short term deals which I think could hurt the Flames chances of signing him.

Calgary is going to have to come with a 6-7 year offer to have a chance in my opinion.

So Hall is listening to offers of all kinds and some how that handcuffs Calgary into one option? I was personally happy to hear this news.

[Robbob]

Yeah, the hype of the draft enables people to go down some irrational paths. Reading that the player the Flames pick at 19 has the potential to be a 1C, reality is that player is more likely 3 to 4 years from making an impact if that. For every Pastrnek taken late there are 50 Jankowski's.

It is great to bring in kids and try to develop them, but there needs to be a measured balance with the current roster players. That is why Gaudreau needs to be a hockey trade, especially when the main plan is to have a UFA like Hall to replace Gaudreau. Problem is that the draft is before UFA. It's the whole cart before the horse if people want it done this off season.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Yeah, the hype of the draft enables people to go down some irrational paths. Reading that the player the Flames pick at 19 has the potential to be a 1C, reality is that player is more likely 3 to 4 years from making an impact if that. For every Pastrnek taken late there are 50 Jankowski's.

It is great to bring in kids and try to develop them, but there needs to be a measured balance with the current roster players. That is why Gaudreau needs to be a hockey trade, especially when the main plan is to have a UFA like Hall to replace Gaudreau. Problem is that the draft is before UFA. It's the whole cart before the horse if people want it done this off season.

You won’t win any hockey trade for Jonny. The best you can hope for at this point is to draft a stud that will turn into an Iginla.(exaggeration but you get the point)

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Per Sportsnet Taylor Hall is going to be open to creative and short term deals which I think could hurt the Flames chances of signing him.

Calgary is going to have to come with a 6-7 year offer to have a chance in my opinion.

Or a verbal agreement on an extension. Teams can re-sign 1 year contracts at the mid-point of the season; Hall could leverage this into basically a 9 year contract.

Sign 1 year at a more affordable rate, then at the mid-point agree to terms on an 8 year extension, and since it goes to age 37, the overall cap hit might end up lower too.

For example.

1 year x 7m
8 years x 7m (front loaded with moderate bonuses in years 2,4 and 5 and a large bonus in year 3. Final 3 years at 4.5-5m each to bring down the cap hit.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

So Hall is listening to offers of all kinds and some how that handcuffs Calgary into one option? I was personally happy to hear this news.

I think it actually does, so if Hall signs a one year contract with a contender where he thinks he can win a cup, that’s not Calgary.

Calgary would be a long term choice.


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[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Per Sportsnet Taylor Hall is going to be open to creative and short term deals which I think could hurt the Flames chances of signing him.

Calgary is going to have to come with a 6-7 year offer to have a chance in my opinion.

I don’t see how this changes anything? He was always going to look at all options. There is no way his agent wouldn’t explore every avenue. I still think Flames are on short list, but it was never a slam dunk he would sign in Calgary.

[Gaudreau is a Ninja]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think it actually does, so if Hall signs a one year contract with a contender where he thinks he can win a cup, that’s not Calgary.

Calgary would be a long term choice.


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I Highly doubt Hall signs a 1 year deal, with all the uncertainty with COVID and team flat caps, no fans or money coming into owners. Hall will sign a multi year contract. Whether it’s with the Flames I don’t know

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Yoho

You won’t win any hockey trade for Jonny. The best you can hope for at this point is to draft a stud that will turn into an Iginla.(exaggeration but you get the point)

Why not? Is there any evidence to support this?

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think it actually does, so if Hall signs a one year contract with a contender where he thinks he can win a cup, that’s not Calgary.

Calgary would be a long term choice.


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A one year deal opens the possibility of an 8 year extension at the mid-point of the season. So being creative could also essentially give him 9 years with one team.

And adding Hall without having to trade Gaudreau would easily make the Flames contenders in the eyes of many.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Actually that is his MO.

He overpaid James Neal and Troy Brouwer.

Maybe Brouwer but Neal was most certainly market value, regardless of how it turned out.

His contracts though for the vast majority of his time have been at or under where most thought they would land.

Again though it doesnt matter unless Hall really really wants to play in Calgary, there are other teams that make far more sense both long and short term.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Why not? Is there any evidence to support this?

Yes the evidence is the trades proposed in this thread.

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by Gaudreau is a Ninja

I don’t see how this would affect Calgary, bottom line is the Flames has cap space and a young talented team. Hall I’m sure has to be intrigued to sign with Calgary wether it’s long or short term. With that said I’m going to laugh when Tre acquires a player or makes a trade that nobody saw coming.

Dadonov ???