American Politics Thread: The Hunt for Blue November

[Titan]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Okay, then don't. And pat yourself on the back for being a nice guy all you want, but you lost me at calling those of us enjoying this karmic justice 'evil of heart.' Sorry, can't get over it. Just such a ridiculous thing to say. Props for not walking it back, too. I love it.

Mods, whose back do I have to scratch around here to get my user title changed to 'evil of heart'? It's my favourite burn ever.

The best part of catching up on a thread later is to read something like this then glance over to see the epic user name the mods granted. Love this place sometimes!!

[photon]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

It's curious how some people find it easier to wish a politician dead than a murderer.

Sphere of influence maybe? A murderer impacted a limited number of people, while a politician's decisions can impact a much larger number of people.

Also tribalism, normally a murderer is just a person who did something terrible, while a politician is on the other "team" and political tribalism is rampant in the US.

You even see it with many killings or politically motivated violence, the first thing many rush to find out is is the person a Republican or a Democrat? So they can either defend or criticize them.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

It's curious how some people find it easier to wish a politician dead than a murderer.

Does following politics online for hours a day make people unhappy and angry, or does it attract people who are already unhappy and angry?

Which people specifically? Or just the liberal boogeymen in general?

Originally Posted by photon

Sphere of influence maybe? A murderer impacted a limited number of people, while a politician's decisions can impact a much larger number of people.

Also tribalism, normally a murderer is just a person who did something terrible, while a politician is on the other "team" and political tribalism is rampant in the US.

You even see it with many killings or politically motivated violence, the first thing many rush to find out is is the person a Republican or a Democrat? So they can either defend or criticize them.

Nah, this has nothing to do with any of that. Trump is a horrible person and him dying from a virus he helped spread across NA due to his own ineptitude and him intentionally denying COVID help to blue/minority populations makes him deserve death.

This has nothing to do with parties or tribalism. It’s about evil people getting what’s coming to them.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by photon

Sphere of influence maybe? A murderer impacted a limited number of people, while a politician's decisions can impact a much larger number of people.

And continues to do so. I think you'd find a lot more people wishing a murderer dead if he was in the process of murdering people every day. Trump is still having a widely-felt effect on the world every day, and if he's re-elected, for longer still. If he gets voted out, I suspect the number of people hoping he dies will plummet, as he's no longer as much of a threat to national stability.

[GreenLantern2814]

To love your enemies is graceful.

Trump is all of the things he’s been called and worse.

Trump would root for his opponent to die.

Don’t be like Trump.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

It's curious how some people find it easier to wish a politician dead than a murderer.

Does following politics online for hours a day make people unhappy and angry, or does it attract people who are already unhappy and angry?

It’s only curious if you don’t consider any context at all. Do you not think people had their reasons for wishing Bush, Obama, and now Trump dead for the many deaths they were indirectly but ultimately responsible for?

Instead of spending so much time asking leading questions and trying to prove your brain has an extra wrinkle, it’s ok to accept that not everything fits a narrative you have. Not everything matches your world view and can be put in a tidy box. Some people wish Trump dead because they’ve got a lot of hate in ‘em, but most people do it because they don’t care about him at all, and would just be happy to have whatever influence he has end. It’s not curious, it’s human.

[Azure]

The Canadian government (both Liberals & Conservatives) have sold billions of dollars worth of weapons to Saudi Arabia, who in turn have used those weapons to kill hundreds of thousands of people in Yemen, and have created a famine that is now affecting millions of people, and nobody on here gives a damn. Canada has effectively become one of the largest exporter of arms to the Middle East. How many of you are continually voting for both those parties?

But here we are comparing Trump to Hitler, and talking about how it would be better for the world if he died because we don't agree with his policies on COVID, while of course ignoring our own government's response that also killed thousands of innocent people.

It always amazes me how people define evil, and how they decide who ought to die.

I guess all those people in Yemen also deserved to die.

[Looch City]

Aw #### here we go again....

[FlameOn]

GOP Senator Ron Johnson (WI) tests positive. That's the third Senator to go down, GOP isn't going to have the votes to confirm Amy Coney Barrett at this rate but we'll know in the next few days.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/03/polit...rus/index.html

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Azure

The Canadian government (both Liberals & Conservatives) have sold billions of dollars worth of weapons to Saudi Arabia, who in turn have used those weapons to kill hundreds of thousands of people in Yemen, and have created a famine that is now affecting millions of people, and nobody on here gives a damn. Canada has effectively become one of the largest exporter of arms to the Middle East. How many of you are continually voting for both those parties?

But here we are comparing Trump to Hitler, and talking about how it would be better for the world if he died because we don't agree with his policies on COVID, while of course ignoring our own government's response that also killed thousands of innocent people.

It always amazes me how people define evil, and how they decide who ought to die.

I guess all those people in Yemen also deserved to die.

name one person here that supported selling arms to the Saudis

[octothorp]

I know the debate is old news at this point, but Siena (A+ rated pollster) came out with a couple post-debate polls in Florida and Pennsylvania, in which they asked about the debate.

Pennsylvania:
Voters said Biden won the debate by a 35% to 18% margin.
68% of watchers disapproved of the way Trump conducted himself, with 52% strongly disapproving. (Biden got 35% and 14% on those measures).
48% said it made them less likely to vote for Trump, 29% said the same about Biden.

Florida:
Biden won debate 39% to 24% margin.
64% disapproval on the way Trump conducted himself, including 53% strongly disapproving. (39% and 22% for Biden).
48% said it made them less likely to vote for Trump, 32% said that about Biden.

Shows Trump's debate strategy as a pretty clear disaster in swing states so far. I think those 'strongly disapproving' numbers are pretty crazy. Trump is unlikely to win many voters who strongly disapproved of his debate conduct, and in both states that's more than 50%.

[activeStick]

The medical team at Walter Reed just provided an update on Trump. As per them, Trump no longer has a fever. Reporters kept pushing for an answer around whether Trump had ever been on supplemental oxygen and the doctors pushed forward with the answer that he is not on supplemental oxygen now. The message overall is that the President's condition has improved and he is feeling and doing well.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

name one person here that supported selling arms to the Saudis

Are you saying the voters are not responsible for the government they elect?

Trump supporters are responsible his dogma that has led to some extreme concerns (how many excuse the skipping around the bush on white supremacy).

My point is that the comparisons between Trump and Hitler are pretty far-fetched when our own government also shares responsibility for thousands of innocent people being killed.

We just turn up our noses and act like its no big deal while looking down on those stupid Americans and their dumb President.

[MissTeeks]

Chris Christie also positive for Covid:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1312416381758050305

[sa226]

Wasn't he on the CBS panel after the debate?

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[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Azure

Are you saying the voters are not responsible for the government they elect?

Trump supporters are responsible his dogma that has led to some extreme concerns (how many excuse the skipping around the bush on white supremacy).

My point is that the comparisons between Trump and Hitler are pretty far-fetched when our own government also shares responsibility for thousands of innocent people being killed.

We just turn up our noses and act like its no big deal while looking down on those stupid Americans and their dumb President.

Both the conservatives and liberals have sold arms to the Saudis; that doesn't mean one agrees 100% with every single policy decision made by a government.

If that's the case, you also voted for it.

The Hitler comparison was a joke - whoosh - i guess people should be getting outraged whenever the Hitler Downfall video is appropriated to mock the Edmonton Oilers or Vancouver Canucks (psst Hitler wasn't an Oilers fan).

any other petty dictator, like Erdogan, Putin, Duterte, Un et al that Trump admires could have been easily used...as Cecil said, it was a convenient meme, but not accurate one

the actual point was that Trump is reaping what he sowed and the notion that the left should bend over backwards to have compassion for him, when there are many on the right that would kick Biden in the face if the roles were reversed, is a bridge to far for many of us.

but you brought up sanctimonious 'whataboutisms'...

[Torture]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1312427364098473985

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by octothorp

I know the debate is old news at this point, but Siena (A+ rated pollster) came out with a couple post-debate polls in Florida and Pennsylvania, in which they asked about the debate.

Pennsylvania:
Voters said Biden won the debate by a 35% to 18% margin.
68% of watchers disapproved of the way Trump conducted himself, with 52% strongly disapproving. (Biden got 35% and 14% on those measures).
48% said it made them less likely to vote for Trump, 29% said the same about Biden.

Florida:
Biden won debate 39% to 24% margin.
64% disapproval on the way Trump conducted himself, including 53% strongly disapproving. (39% and 22% for Biden).
48% said it made them less likely to vote for Trump, 32% said that about Biden.

Shows Trump's debate strategy as a pretty clear disaster in swing states so far. I think those 'strongly disapproving' numbers are pretty crazy. Trump is unlikely to win many voters who strongly disapproved of his debate conduct, and in both states that's more than 50%.

I really do think this thing is over and has been for a while, at least from a who will win standpoint. The only thing left to be played out is how the GOP intends on stealing this thing.

[MissTeeks]

Originally Posted by sa226

Wasn't he on the CBS panel after the debate?

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The ABC one. And he was helping Trump with his debate prep with Giuliani.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by activeStick

The medical team at Walter Reed just provided an update on Trump. As per them, Trump no longer has a fever. Reporters kept pushing for an answer around whether Trump had ever been on supplemental oxygen and the doctors pushed forward with the answer that he is not on supplemental oxygen now. The message overall is that the President's condition has improved and he is feeling and doing well.

It sounds like they were also saying that Trump has been positive for at least 72 hours now which is almost making it seem like he was probably positive at the debate on Tuesday evening which is quite worrisome for Biden's team. It sort of makes though with regards to why Trump would show up late so as not to be tested prior to the debate and the use of an honour system instead. I'm certain that Trump really wanted to be at the debate so that he could go toe to toe with Biden. This could really turn into an ugly situation if true.