2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Demetric

Thought on a trade around Derek Ryan for Tyler Johnson?

I didn't see anything of interest other than a waste of cap space during their cup run. I also doubt he waives to come here.

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Can you offer an explanation why you think so?


Why does it matter?

Interesting how everyone list the numbers stats but you don't figure these count. I assume you think this is only a coincidence. That many wins by home grown goalies has to say something. If nothing else, it makes an argument for retaining Rittich. I don't understand why we would buy ourselves an expensive goalie and meanwhile forget that we have other needs. I still maintain that it wasn't goaltending that cost us in the playoffs. So Talbot had a bad game. So do lots of other goalies.

[dino7c]

Calgary dominated game six and the goalies blew it...pretty simple. Talbot doing his job in some of the games isn't enough. Not even Tampa wins if their goalie lets every third shot in.

[David Struch]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Arizona has hired Ryan Jankowski as its new director of amateur scouting... wouldn't be surprised to see Mark wind up there as a free agent if he goes unqualified.

That would make sense, they also need picks (for next year too) and the Flames are in need of veteran D (Niklas Hjalmarsson, Jason Demers)

[Toonage]

^ Flames wouldn't trade them Jankowski. He won't be qualified, then becomes a UFA and signs with Arizona for cheap.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by MrMike

I didn't see anything of interest other than a waste of cap space during their cup run. I also doubt he waives to come here.

That might be the reason you can pick him up for a lower cost. He was fine but not great in the playoffs. Still a solid middle six right handed RW, who can play centre in a pinch. Lindholm lite, although he is Johnny sized but stouter.

[868904]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Arizona has hired Ryan Jankowski as its new director of amateur scouting... wouldn't be surprised to see Mark wind up there as a free agent if he goes unqualified.

Mark Jankowski for the rights to Taylor Hall.

Make it so, Number 1!

[DomeFoam]

If Rossi makes it past the 6th pick, I make a trade with New Jersey.

Palmieri + 7th overall + B prospect or young player

for

Gaudreau

Flames get a great value roster player in LW Palmieri, whom they could always flip at next years deadline should he not want to re-sign at the end of his contract next season.

Only caveat is whether he waives to go to the Flames, as he has to submit an 8 team no trade list.

Flames draft future top line centre in Rossi and add another B prospect or player (rights to Jesper Bratt?)

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by 868904

Mark Jankowski for the rights to Taylor Hall.

Make it so, Number 1!

The "one for one" meme is going to follow him around for the rest of his career.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by DomeFoam

If Rossi makes it past the 6th pick, I make a trade with New Jersey.

Palmieri + 7th overall + B prospect or young player

for

Gaudreau

Flames get a great value roster player in LW Palmieri, whom they could always flip at next years deadline should he not want to re-sign at the end of his contract next season.

Only caveat is whether he waives to go to the Flames, as he has to submit an 8 team no trade list.

Flames draft future top line centre in Rossi and add another B prospect or player (rights to Jesper Bratt?)

I don't think Jersey makes that trade, more likely something around their 18 and 20 picks

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Calgary dominated game six and the goalies blew it...pretty simple. Talbot doing his job in some of the games isn't enough. Not even Tampa wins if their goalie lets every third shot in.

Andrei Vasilevskiy: 25 GP, Low Danger Goals Against: 3
Anton Khudobin: 24 GP, Low Danger Goals Against: 7
Robin Lehner: 16 GP, Low Danger Goals Against: 2
Semyon Varlamov: 20 GP, Low Danger Goals Against: 4

Cam Talbot: 10 GP, Low Danger Goals Against: 6 (and they all happened in the Dallas series)

When Tree says "goaltending was a strength" in the playoffs, he's literally just paying lip service. Talbot did win a game (Game 3 Vs. Dallas), but outside of that he was nowhere near good enough to win a playoff series. Not even close. Doesn't mean he was the only problem, but he was a massive problem. Allowing that many low danger goals in such important games is going to sewer any team because low danger goals against ruin good defensive work of your team.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Re-signing Brodie will dramatically narrow Treliving’s options for other core-changing deals.

But isn’t it almost a given they need to see or trade for a defenseman? You could say you prefer a different defenseman over Brodie, which I understand. But I could also see signing Brodie giving you flexibility with other pieces of your roster. There aren’t many UFA defensemen better than Brodie, he might be the best one you realistically have a shot at.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

But isn’t it almost a given they need to see or trade for a defenseman? You could say you prefer a different defenseman over Brodie, which I understand. But I could also see signing Brodie giving you flexibility with other pieces of your roster. There aren’t many UFA defensemen better than Brodie, he might be the best one you realistically have a shot at.

My shopping list for d-men on October 9th goes:

1. Alex Pietrangelo
2. Tyson Barrie
3. TJ Brodie

There are some other value signings to be had (DeMelo), but I think this team needs to sign top 4 right side defenceman, and those value signings are mostly 5/6 defenceman - and I think those spots belong to Valimaki and Kylington.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Teroy

Interesting how everyone list the numbers stats but you don't figure these count. I assume you think this is only a coincidence.

I never said that the anecdote doesn't count. But I think it is important that before counting on this as a formula for winning we should at least attempt to understand it. Simply put: what is the reason Stanley Cup winning teams have won consistently with drafted goalies? I think with such a small sample size that it is more likely to be a coincidence than pointing to an actual factor.

That many wins by home grown goalies has to say something. If nothing else, it makes an argument for retaining Rittich.

As someone who has long advocated for continuing Rittich's development in Calgary, I agree. But again, I am not comfortable with insisting on this as necessary without a clear understanding of the reason for the phenomenon. Even a working theory would be better than nothing, which is what we have right now.

I don't understand why we would buy ourselves an expensive goalie and meanwhile forget that we have other needs. I still maintain that it wasn't goaltending that cost us in the playoffs. So Talbot had a bad game. So do lots of other goalies.

It was more than just a bad game. Talbot was solid in the play-in, but mostly as a result of how well the Flames were pushing the Jets to the outside and eliminating chances. Listen to Bingo's and Jiri's discussion about goalies in the last CP Radio instalment, and I think this makes a very good case for a needed change: Talbot's fundamentals are okay, but not great. He is a blocking goalie who plays the angles, but is often victimized by good shooters in HD scoring areas. If the Flames want to succeed, then they need a more talented goalie—it is as simple as that. Maybe Rittich is that goalie, but if not, then this is an issue which will continue to persist until it is resolved. That only happens by way of a trade—which expends more assets, through free agency, or by simply waiting and hoping that Wolfe is eventually that guy.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Andrei Vasilevskiy: 25 GP, Low Danger Goals Against: 3
Anton Khudobin: 24 GP, Low Danger Goals Against: 7
Robin Lehner: 16 GP, Low Danger Goals Against: 2
Semyon Varlamov: 20 GP, Low Danger Goals Against: 4

Cam Talbot: 10 GP, Low Danger Goals Against: 6 (and they all happened in the Dallas series)

When Tree says "goaltending was a strength" in the playoffs, he's literally just paying lip service. Talbot did win a game (Game 3 Vs. Dallas), but outside of that he was nowhere near good enough to win a playoff series. Not even close. Doesn't mean he was the only problem, but he was a massive problem. Allowing that many low danger goals in such few important games is going to sewer any team because low danger goals against ruin good defensive work of your team.

Ah yes, real stats that actually matter, not completely arbitrary "stats" that just list where Goalies originated (without taking into context development patterns.)

The idea that the flames could develop a starting tendy is hilarious to me. We have never, ever, done that in the history of our organization. Maybe Mike Vernon but that era of goalies barely counts imo.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

If anything all this does is highlight how hard it is to pry goalie talent away from teams.

It also ignores the fact that in 2006, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2018, 2019, and 2020, the starting goalie for the team that lost the Cup Final was acquired either by trade or FA signing. Unless you believe that drafting a goalie gives him some magical powers, any of those Cups could have easily been won by the other side and the narrative would be ruined.

Also, for the 15 Cups between 1990 and 2004, only 6 were won by a goalie who was drafted by the winning team and 3 of those were won by Brodeur. One was won by a drafted goalie who later went on to win 2 more as a traded goalie.


It's an interesting bit of trivia. It's not a team-building strategy.

[Blaster86]

Canucks have an offer on the table for OEL and are awaiting the Coyotes response.

End me.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Canucks have an offer on the table for OEL and are awaiting the Coyotes response.

End me.

Source?

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by AC

Source?

Rick Dhaliwal. Canucks beat guy.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by AC

Source?

Nothing too violent or bloody. He's a Canuck fan, but not an animal.