2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Dumba+Rask for Mangiapane and a 2nd and 4th.

Rask is a potential buy-out for Minnesota, so I'll raise your bet with Backlund + 4th for Dumba + 2nd.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Rask is a potential buy-out for Minnesota, so I'll raise your bet with Backlund + 4th for Dumba + 2nd.

Guerin said he's isnt buying him out. The idea of adding Rask is to lower the acquisition cost of getting Dumba. Maybe flip Rask to ottawa for something.

[PegCityFlamesFan]

Watching Dumba play a ton against the Jets I think hes a solid top 4 for sure. Great on the powerplay, physical and outside of coming back from injury last year was progressing well. I think were too quick to write off defenceman and the learning curve is much steeper than forward. He'd look great in any top 4.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by PegCityFlamesFan

Watching Dumba play a ton against the Jets I think hes a solid top 4 for sure. Great on the powerplay, physical and outside of coming back from injury last year was progressing well. I think were too quick to write off defenceman and the learning curve is much steeper than forward. He'd look great in any top 4.

For sure.

But he also has a $6M cap hit, which is fair for him, but no bargain. And that keeps his trade value moderate.

I think he's worth more than Backlund, but marginally.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I would have thought that as well, but NHL GMs seem to think that Dumba is not worth a top six centre, so Backlund as a top six centre should return Dumba+.

I assume the Wild are not looking for a guy turning 32 next year in a trade for their 26 year old player?

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by 868904

Owen Nolan was a great signing and one of my favourites. Wish there was a Nolan out there to sign this year.

Maybe if Simmonds came cheap.

Nolan was always one of my favorites-first, because of my Irish heritage, and secondly, because he was tough as nails and fun to watch. I was delighted when we signed him, although he was considerably diminished (but still one of the toughest in the league).Perhaps Josh Anderson could give us that big, tough, power forward who scores goals?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by blender

For whatever reason we undervalue Backlund around here.

I've not watched a ton of Dumba, but what is the deal with him? He seems like an average 2nd pairing guy, maybe 1st pairing in a pinch, but how good is he really? Does he move the needle much?

Dumba is a top pairing right shot Dman with offensive ability and plays physical.

I think of the Backlund comparison same as the Voraecek one with Johnny. Why would the Flames trade their 27 year old first line winger for a 31 year old? Why are the Wild trading their 26 year old top pairing D for a 31 year old?

Especially where the Wild are in their current team makeup.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by PegCityFlamesFan

My you're clever. Stastny waived to come here but carry on with your witty take.

Yeah, but that was for a couple months in the spring, he didn't have to spend winter there.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by blender

For whatever reason we undervalue Backlund around here.

I've not watched a ton of Dumba, but what is the deal with him? He seems like an average 2nd pairing guy, maybe 1st pairing in a pinch, but how good is he really? Does he move the needle much?

Dumba is absolutely worth more than Backlund, not a ton more, but he is worth more. Dumba struggled this season and suddenly people forget how good he is. Dumba is a 26 year old right handed defenseman, with term on his deal that is every bit as much of a top pairing defenseman as Brodie or Hamilton are.

Had Dumba not been injured in that fight with Tkachuk, he very likely would have had back to back 50 point seasons.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Dumba is a top pairing right shot Dman with offensive ability and plays physical.

I think of the Backlund comparison same as the Voraecek one with Johnny. Why would the Flames trade their 27 year old first line winger for a 31 year old? Why are the Wild trading their 26 year old top pairing D for a 31 year old?

Especially where the Wild are in their current team makeup.

The primary reason for this would be that Minnesota has build themselves a nice big hole to climb out of, and that is why the league is playing hardball with them. They should have traded Dumba before trading Staal.

They have very little centre depth, and no leadership coming from that position. Backlund would be a dream for them to land. A guy that can play the big minutes without falling apart, and teach the kids how to be a pro in the centre position, exactly as Staal and Koivu were doing last year, only Backlund is a much better player than either of them (at this point in their careers). Backlund has easily another three years of high level play in front of him.

I hate to be opportunistic, but in this situation Backlund gets you Dumba and a pick.

I'd love for Calgary to make this move and then go after Duchene in a Gaudreau trade, and give up on UFA Hall. Instead go after UFA Namestnikov, and fit everybody nicely under the cap.

[TheScorpion]

Duchene for Gaudreau? Why?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PegCityFlamesFan

My you're clever. Stastny waived to come here but carry on with your witty take.

I said why he waived (to go play a quarter season). Try for a cup, then get back south.

[Sandman]

I don't think you win with a player like Duchene-seems like a me-first kinda guy.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Duchene for Gaudreau? Why?

The underlying numbers for Duchene were actually pretty good last year, even thought they didn't show up on the stat sheet. I don't think that he is in decline, even though that has been the narrative in Nashville, because he has not lived up to his billing. He is not a fan favorite in Nashville, especially with playoff questions like this being bandied about :

https://www.ontheforecheck.com/2020/...illion-offside

Poile has a quick trigger finger and likes a big splash. Playing second line centre in Calgary would quickly rejuvenate Duchene, IMO. It would be a lot of fun to watch, anyway. If the contract is that much of a deterrent, all the better, I'll happily take their two second round picks as well.

[Crown Royal]

That Duchene contract is a non-starter and belongs in the medical waste bin at planned parenthood.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I assume the Wild are not looking for a guy turning 32 next year in a trade for their 26 year old player?

the problemfor the Wild is that they are going to lose Dumba in the expansion draft. And everyone knows it. So his value is less than what it would be.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

That Duchene contract is a non-starter and belongs in the medical waste bin at planned parenthood.

I think that 8M/6years ages better on Duchene than on Hall. My opinion, anyway.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Duchene for Gaudreau? Why?

Because Duchene is a top-6 centre signed for another six years, and Gaudreau is a winger who’s last good playoff experience came during the Obama administration.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

the problemfor the Wild is that they are going to lose Dumba in the expansion draft. And everyone knows it. So his value is less than what it would be.

If I am the Wild I pivot to a younger player if I can’t get a comparable top 6 player. Look for a prospect and pick and more incentive if they take on a bad contract.

I don’t think they will have trouble moving Dumba and will not have to take back a much older player with a similar cap hit and more term.

A player like Monahan for Dumba? I don’t think so and never liked that “rumor”

Some people will not like this but I would consider a Bennett for Dumba swap.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

When you put it that way, no thanks. Second pairing D for a more expensive second pairing D who is three years older just so you can swap a useful young roster player for two seconds? I think Mangiapane has proven what he is and will get a reasonable offer from Treliving.

Not you specifically, but some people on this thread seem to be proposing at best lateral trades just for the sake of doing something, along the lines of "we lost in the first round, there is something wrong with our core, so let's trade for similar players on a team that didn't make it into the first round". If we make a trade, it has to be with the purpose of actually improving the team, which requires upgrading players, and in particular, adding another top 6 player (needs to be a centre or RW), adding a top 4 RD, and adding a reliable goaltender. Any trade the Flames make should address at least one of these needs, or if that's not possible, then trade anyone 25 or older for picks and prospects and do a full rebuild.

I Like the cut of your jib.

To my mind if your giving up Yeast Mode something pretty damn big better be coming back. He is a top six winger now.