2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Dreger on TSN says Guerin is softening on his ask for Dumba because it doesn't appear to be reality to land a top 6 center for Dumba at this time. Dreger says offer needs to be a higher 1st and good young roster player

Now that is much more reasonable

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Fischy13

This isn't a trade rumor, but thought I would share as well. During the discovery of my buddies source while explaining my bump in with the Stars Owner at the Sutton Place, his connection to Treliving gave him an interesting story.

This fellow got off the phone with Tre and the NHL had them put up in the Sutton Place while in the bubble. When they wound up against the Stars, Tre (Maybe the Flames org) lost thier ####. They didn't want to take the risk of being tampered with (I assume the players sleeping, hot water..etc I don't know what else) but thats a fair request not to be put up in the hotel that the opposition owns lol. I didn't hear if they eventually got located to another hotel or not.

I don't buy this for a second.

1) The Flames moved after the play-in and knew they were going to be doing so before they knew who they were playing in round 1.
2) No hotel would actually risk that, because they would lose any future NHL teams staying

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Dreger on TSN says Guerin is softening on his ask for Dumba because it doesn't appear to be reality to land a top 6 center for Dumba at this time. Dreger says offer needs to be a higher 1st and good young roster player

So hypothetically it would be Dumba for Mangiapane + 1st .

imo that is not worth it. I think that the first is unmovable this year. Maybe Mangiapane + 2nd but would that even be enough to get it done?

[Freeway]

Originally Posted by Fischy13

This isn't a trade rumor, but thought I would share as well. During the discovery of my buddies source while explaining my bump in with the Stars Owner at the Sutton Place, his connection to Treliving gave him an interesting story.

This fellow got off the phone with Tre and the NHL had them put up in the Sutton Place while in the bubble. When they wound up against the Stars, Tre (Maybe the Flames org) lost thier ####. They didn't want to take the risk of being tampered with (I assume the players sleeping, hot water..etc I don't know what else) but thats a fair request not to be put up in the hotel that the opposition owns lol. I didn't hear if they eventually got located to another hotel or not.

The Flames moved to the JW Marriott the day before Game 1.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

So hypothetically it would be Dumba for Mangiapane + 1st .

imo that is not worth it. I think that the first is unmovable this year. Maybe Mangiapane + 2nd but would that even be enough to get it done?

Probably more like Dube and a 1st or Mangiapane and a 2nd.

Neither would interest me, and I doubt they get that much for him. If his contract were $4M or something like that, then sure.

Include Lucic and then maybe. But Mangiapane and a 1st? No way. Just keep Mngiapane and the 1st and spend the $4M you saved on a FA.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Probably more like Dube and a 1st or Mangiapane and a 2nd.

Neither would interest me, and I doubt they get that much for him. If his contract were $4M or something like that, then sure.

Include Lucic and then maybe. But Mangiapane and a 1st? No way. Just keep Mngiapane and the 1st and spend the $4M you saved on a FA.

I think Dube is worth more than Mangiapane, by a smidge (depending on the contract Mangiapane gets).

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I don’t think a 2 year comes in below $2.5M.

It looks like he has three more RFA years to burn - so a 2 year deal gives us control at the end of it.

What are the odds that the next 3 seasons are the best three seasons of Mangiapane's career? Or that his 28 year old year is going to be the best of his career?

I would think the odds of this are extremely good that the next three seasons will rate among the 3 best of his career. He's not going to fall off a cliff in 4 years I don't think. But I would be willing to go a third year if it's a good dollar figure now. Just because he is a potential UFA after that does not exclude the Flames from being able to sign him if they want. In fact a mechanism that forces you to think about trading him at that time might be protecting a GM from himself.

The way I view it is that by going two years you're trying to use that third year to bring down future value on a player that likely is still useful, but not as good as what he is today but will cost you a higher salary. At that time you should have been able to draft and develop another Mangiapane that you are paying less, and let someone else pay a premium salary for a player that likely won't be as productive as he was before that.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Dreger on TSN says Guerin is softening on his ask for Dumba because it doesn't appear to be reality to land a top 6 center for Dumba at this time. Dreger says offer needs to be a higher 1st and good young roster player

I can't imagine a world in which Guerin didn't make a call to check the availability of Monahan, and that means that the answer was a solid no. That's interesting. I wonder if Backlund would waive, if that now gets you a Dumba+.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think Dube is worth more than Mangiapane, by a smidge (depending on the contract Mangiapane gets).

I like Dube better than Mangiapane personally, but I am guessing Mangiapane has more league-wide value.

You never know though, beauty is in the eye of the GM.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I can't imagine a world in which Guerin didn't make a call to check the availability of Monahan, and that means that the answer was a solid no. That's interesting. I wonder if Backlund would waive, if that now gets you a Dumba+.

Dumba is worth more than Backlund in my opinion

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

So hypothetically it would be Dumba for Mangiapane + 1st .

imo that is not worth it. I think that the first is unmovable this year. Maybe Mangiapane + 2nd but would that even be enough to get it done?

When I read Sureloss post this was the exact trade that comes to mind.

Let’s just say hypothetically the Flames trade Hanifin to the Sens for the isles 1st and 2 2nd round picks. I would consider trading the 28th pick and Mangipane for Dumba if the Mangipane negotiation is going the wrong way again.

Mangipane+Hanifin for Dumba+ 2 2nds

[Macindoc]

When you put it that way, no thanks. Second pairing D for a more expensive second pairing D who is three years older just so you can swap a useful young roster player for two seconds? I think Mangiapane has proven what he is and will get a reasonable offer from Treliving.

Not you specifically, but some people on this thread seem to be proposing at best lateral trades just for the sake of doing something, along the lines of "we lost in the first round, there is something wrong with our core, so let's trade for similar players on a team that didn't make it into the first round". If we make a trade, it has to be with the purpose of actually improving the team, which requires upgrading players, and in particular, adding another top 6 player (needs to be a centre or RW), adding a top 4 RD, and adding a reliable goaltender. Any trade the Flames make should address at least one of these needs, or if that's not possible, then trade anyone 25 or older for picks and prospects and do a full rebuild.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Dumba is worth more than Backlund in my opinion

Disagree completely.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Disagree completely.

You can disagree, but they're right.

[SnipeShow]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

You can disagree, but they're right.

You can disagree with their disagreement, but I disagree with you disagreeing

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[PegCityFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It's Winnipeg. No one wants to go there.

My you're clever. Stastny waived to come here but carry on with your witty take.

[Enoch Root]

nm

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Dumba is worth more than Backlund in my opinion

I would have thought that as well, but NHL GMs seem to think that Dumba is not worth a top six centre, so Backlund as a top six centre should return Dumba+.

[blender]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Dumba is worth more than Backlund in my opinion

For whatever reason we undervalue Backlund around here.

I've not watched a ton of Dumba, but what is the deal with him? He seems like an average 2nd pairing guy, maybe 1st pairing in a pinch, but how good is he really? Does he move the needle much?

[dammage79]

Dumba+Rask for Mangiapane and a 2nd and 4th.