2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The rumored Gaudreau trade is Horawful.

Trying to make it better for me:

Gaudreau+Hanifin for Voracek+Ghost+Myers+Patrick+1st 2020


Nah still hate it.

Yup terrible. Frost over Patrick everyday and that is all due to expansion.

Flames likely leave all but Myers unprotected in the expansion draft on that list above.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The rumored Gaudreau trade is Horawful.

Trying to make it better for me:

Gaudreau+Hanifin for Voracek+Ghost+Myers+Patrick+1st 2020


Nah still hate it.

Still terrible.

$8.25M + $4.5M + $3-4M for Myers + ? $2M for Patrick?

Plus, they would have to protect both Myers and Patrick. And still have to expose Gostesbehere.

Just destroys the Flames' cap situation and expansion plans.

[Bonded]

Treliving should be fired if he does that trade. Just gross.

[Roof-Daddy]

Gaudreau for Ghost and Voracek?

WDF?

That'd be grounds for a MAJOR PADDLIN'

[Harry Lime]

From the beginning, the most likely trade scenario that would fit with Philly (being actually able to complete the trade) would be roster player (Voracek, JVR or Ghost), 1st round pick and a good prospect. The best combination of this is still :

Voracek (1.5M retained to match Johnny), 1st round pick and Frost.

Which is the reason why New Jersey, Carolina and Columbus are all still better destinations. Not that this is a bad return, but I think there are better out there.

[Monahammer]

I would like to attack the other Jimmy Hayes rumor instead, far more interesting IMO.

1st overall for B Tkachuk and 3rd overall.

Ottawa would be pretty dumb to do this, but historically speaking it just fits so well as a Daigle like blunder (though I do think Lafreniere will be good at the NHL level, just not substantially better than Brady.)

What I am more interested in is if NYR would consider an additional deal to follow.

Johnny+Hanifin for Brady Tkachuk+De Angelo

NYR instantly becomes the most electric offense in the league with Panarin and Johnny. Hanifin brings a much different flavor and potentially a better long term fit than De Angelo on the back end.

I know De Angelo is despised by some on the boards, but people can grow up (hopefully he does) and he does bring a crazy amount of offensive potential from the back, something we lack. His swagger could also be of benefit to the squad. The case for trying to acquire Tkachuk version 3.0 is clear.

Ready to take my lumps

[bubbsy]

Based on the rumours (ie. nothing we can really use to make judgement) it sure sounds like the flames are looking at the gaudreau trade as a 'win now' trade only.

This has a phanuef type deal written all over it.

If the rumours are true, man Treliving and management continue to show a lack of ability to make an honest judgement of the team, almost year in and year out. Trading 1st/2nd round picks when the team ends up not being good, still early in the rebuild, vs not trying to use high value trade chips to, at least in part, invest in futures ("we're just a piece or two away though...")

[Jiri Hrdina]

I would not trade Tkachuk+3 for #1 but not because I don't think Lafreniere is going to be much better than Tkachuk because I view him to be significantly better...but moreso because the #3 player could very well be Byfield

Byfield+Tkachuk>Lafreniere

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Fischy13

Just the messenger here and twice removed from the very inside source claimed. Someone on the Philly team.

Rumour is it’s ghost and voracek coming for Johnny. I disputed this as much as what’s coming, Flames can’t take that kind of cap, especially if the desire is to sign Hall. Not only is Johnny signed to a better deal, he’s got to have more value than voracek. Right? Ghost comes with a significant amount of money too. So I can’t see it being legit. But the source seems reliable.

What does the bolded mean?

This trade is so bad it's obviously false. I advise you to no longer trust this source.

[dammage79]

Voracek and Ghost? Sprinkle Patrick in there and sure why not. At least then you have a young cost controlled asset.

I dont mind Voracek, its not the greatest with that cap hit, its actually quite awful money wise. But he is a good player.

I wonder if Ghost can rebound with a change of scenery or he just widdles away into nothingness. Theres so much skill there I also wonder why the hell hes gone backwards.

In the end though, you're adding more left side then you are shipping out which still makes no sense .

[Enoch Root]

Would you rather have Gostesbehere or Barrie?

Barrie has no acquisition cost and is arguably the better player. He probably costs a little more, but not much.

So why take Gostesbehere as the primary piece for Johnny?

It's lunacy.

[Swifty16]

Can we stop with the Patrick throw ins to the PHI deals?! He has a migraine disorder and for those that know Calgary it is the worst place in the world if you suffer from migraines....I know. Huge risk to acquire him despite his skill level.

[SportsJunky]

Does Stastny to Winnipeg make sense? I think most reports say he enjoyed his time there. With Little possibly done, Winnipeg badly needs a #2 C for the upcoming season.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Would you rather have Gostesbehere or Barrie?

Barrie has no acquisition cost and is arguably the better player. He probably costs a little more, but not much.

So why take Gostesbehere as the primary piece for Johnny?

It's lunacy.

Oh I'll take all the FA quality there is.

RHD alone theres 5 or 6 players the Flames can go after and save themselves a massive headache.

Premium RHD(aka going to cost a high term and or dollars in the market): Pietrangelo, Barries, Vatanen.
Mid tier RHD: Schultz, Braun, Gudas, Kevan Miller,

Flames can really help themselves there.

Only reason to acquire Ghost in a johnny deal from a flames perspective is to replace Hanifin (reporter said he is as good as gone?) And shuffle him to 3rd pairing. Even then, meh.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Voracek and Ghost? Sprinkle Patrick in there and sure why not. At least then you have a young cost controlled asset.

I dont mind Voracek, its not the greatest with that cap hit, its actually quite awful money wise. But he is a good player.

I wonder if Ghost can rebound with a change of scenery or he just widdles away into nothingness. Theres so much skill there I also wonder why the hell hes gone backwards.

Why not?

1. Take on salary and term for older worse players
2. Use a protection spot on a player that likely never even sniffs at his potential
3. No futures come in the deal
4. Highest paid player is a 31 year old who outside of 2 80+pt seasons is more of a 50-60pt player and only going to get worse

Patrick doesn’t turn this awful deal into a winner. If the Flames get Patrick from Philly it needs to be a throw in and not a centerpiece. Too much risk there and no idea why you feel so strongly that he is going to somehow have a healthy long term career considering he has been battling injuries since he was 16?

[Niemo]

No to Philly please. They simply won't trade the pieces that we want. Heck, I'd take Giroux as part of the deal even, but Ghost, JVR, and Voracek can stay put. I also am not high on Patrick and not interested in late 1sts unless they are sweeteners.

I also think that Johnny >> Konecny, so maybe some would I say I overrate Johnny.

Johnny + Ryan for Giroux + 1st 2020 + 2nd 2021 I would entertain. I am assuming that Couturier is untouchable now.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm not sure if Treliving is legitimately going to roll on holding on to Gaudreau and maybe losing him for nothing or if he's just playing the game not outright shopping him and only listening to offers to thwart the Kijiji offers a GM gets when shopping a player hard.

Bet on the first. I believe both parties want Gaudreau here long term. Thus why he is not on any network trade board. Insiders know this but media pundits want to get their clicks. I think Gaudreau probably has a path similiar to Iginla's, he might go when his career is pretty much over but he will be here for the duration of his career.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Why not?

1. Take on salary and term for older worse players
2. Use a protection spot on a player that likely never even sniffs at his potential
3. No futures come in the deal
4. Highest paid player is a 31 year old who outside of 2 80+pt seasons is more of a 50-60pt player and only going to get worse

Patrick doesn’t turn this awful deal into a winner. If the Flames get Patrick from Philly it needs to be a throw in and not a centerpiece. Too much risk there and no idea why you feel so strongly that he is going to somehow have a healthy long term career considering he has been battling injuries since he was 16?

Yeah Vinny01, I get it for 19th time already. Stop repeating the same thing over and over and over every time. We all know what the issues are. And we have already been through this, I dont care what you think about the Player, I think otherwise.

Thats it, thats the hot take. Move along.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Would you rather have Gostesbehere or Barrie?

Barrie has no acquisition cost and is arguably the better player. He probably costs a little more, but not much.

So why take Gostesbehere as the primary piece for Johnny?

It's lunacy.

I think Gostisbehere has negative value, so I think he could actually be a player you take on and get an additional asset.

So, if he is part of a Gaudreau trade to Philly, I think it increases the return. Plus, Ghost will get a shot on PP1 in Calgary.

[Fischy13]

I concur with everyone of all your rebuttals. I’ve only discovered this resource this past week. He has ties to Treliving and to someone inside the flyers org. I only found out this week after I told him I met the owner of the Dallas stars. I was starting at the Sutton Plqce this week and bumped into him and a group of guys going golfing. “They needed something to do during the day”. I sarcastically thanked him for knocking out my Flames and he said sorry about your luck. Anyways, I’ve reiterated everyone’s comments about this. I don’t believe it myself and have no reason to/not to believe it. Just passing along what I heard. As I mentioned, I’m just the messenger relaying a tidbit I was told.