2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[sureLoss]

TSN's trade bait board. No Flames players on the list

https://www.tsn.ca/trade-bait-the-nh...ason-1.1529168

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[Demetric]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Sign and trade seems like a huge headache and removes part of the benefit of getting Pietrangelo, which is 0 asset cost.

That 8th year would have to back dive hard to make the added cap hit benefit worthwhile, and I can't see how it wouldn't be labelled as circumvention. Doesn't really make sense to me tbh.

the 8th year is to reduce the cap hit over the entire contract for the team and get the player more money

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Sign and trade seems like a huge headache and removes part of the benefit of getting Pietrangelo, which is 0 asset cost.

That 8th year would have to back dive hard to make the added cap hit benefit worthwhile, and I can't see how it wouldn't be labelled as circumvention. Doesn't really make sense to me tbh.

Makes perfect sense to me and I am surprised it hasn’t happened more in the NHL.

I thought that was potential in the Arizona/Kuemper trade negotiations and work in a 8 year sign and trade for Hall that would lower the cap hit by $1M per to get the extra year.

If the Flames can move Gaudreau, Ryan, Rittich, Hanifin without taking much more than ELC salary back (and obviously picks/prospects) they could theoretically sign all 3 of Hall, Pietrangelo, and Markstrom while keeping Mangipane and still have 7-8M to fill out their roster.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Makes perfect sense to me and I am surprised it hasn’t happened more in the NHL.

I thought that was potential in the Arizona/Kuemper trade negotiations and work in a 8 year sign and trade for Hall that would lower the cap hit by $1M per to get the extra year.

If the Flames can move Gaudreau, Ryan, Rittich, Hanifin without taking much more than ELC salary back (and obviously picks/prospects) they could theoretically sign all 3 of Hall, Pietrangelo, and Markstrom while keeping Mangipane and still have 7-8M to fill out their roster.

But how is the back diving year not circumvention? I was under the impression that they had banned a certain decline in the back half of the contract years unless it was graduated. And if that's the case then what motivation would pietro have to play in yesrs 6-8 if he made 90% of the cash in years 1-5?

The idea makes sense i suppose for cap purposes, but i thought they explicitly changed the rules to prevent this.

[Monahammer]

The amount of Toronto and St Louis fans ####ting on the idea of us getting Pietro not only makes me want him more, but makes me believe that it's more likely.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

But how is the back diving year not circumvention? I was under the impression that they had banned a certain decline in the back half of the contract years unless it was graduated. And if that's the case then what motivation would pietro have to play in yesrs 6-8 if he made 90% of the cash in years 1-5?

The idea makes sense i suppose for cap purposes, but i thought they explicitly changed the rules to prevent this.

The contract still has to work in the CBA but spreading it out over 8 years instead of 7 so I could see a scenario where Pietrangelo would want 63M over 7 years or 64M over 8 so it takes the cap hit down from 9 to 8 which could be huge for the team acquiring him.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The amount of Toronto and St Louis fans ####ting on the idea of us getting Pietro not only makes me want him more, but makes me believe that it's more likely.

I won’t lie it does feel a little Brad Richards-ish to me where Calgary is being used as leverage to get what he wants out of the Blues. Vegas and Toronto are in cap hell but the Flames could sign AP with our current cap space.

I also could see the Flames using this info as leverage in their own trade negotiations for OEL.

It would be epic to sign AP but Calgary is far from Toronto and St.Louis so it seems unlikely as a destination.

[chummer]

Ugh, not Vegas-

https://twitter.com/user/status/1309134182900211718

https://twitter.com/user/status/1309134631984402433

[powderjunkie]

The lowest year can only be 35% lower than the highest year now...it's hard to shave much cap off of a similarly structured 7 year deal.

[MrMike]

I ####ing hate Vegas. Just die already.

[Fischy13]

Just the messenger here and twice removed from the very inside source claimed. Someone on the Philly team.

Rumour is it’s ghost and voracek coming for Johnny. I disputed this as much as what’s coming, Flames can’t take that kind of cap, especially if the desire is to sign Hall. Not only is Johnny signed to a better deal, he’s got to have more value than voracek. Right? Ghost comes with a significant amount of money too. So I can’t see it being legit. But the source seems reliable.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

The lowest year can only be 35% lower than the highest year now...it's hard to shave much cap off of a similarly structured 7 year deal.

Which means the most that the AAV can be pulled down by adding the 8th year is 5%, or $400k on $8M.

IMO, that is not worth the 8th year in and of itself. Never mind the fact that, in order to accommodate this, you would need to trade with St Louis.

The only reason to do this would be that the only way he would sign with your team would be if you got him the 8th year.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by chummer

Ugh, not Vegas-

https://twitter.com/user/status/1309134182900211718

https://twitter.com/user/status/1309134631984402433

I still don't see it. VGK is already over the cap with a new deal for Lehner, and then still have at least three positions to fill. If they actually manage to move or buyout Stastney and Fleury then that's five or six players they still need to add.

The only way they sign Pietrangelo is if he accepts a deeply discounted deal—the likes of which no one has seen since Kariya and Selanne signed in Colorado.

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[Scroopy Noopers]

Uhhh sign me up for a UFA MAF who has just received a lump sum buyout.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Fischy13

Just the messenger here and twice removed from the very inside source claimed. Someone on the Philly team.

Rumour is it’s ghost and voracek coming for Johnny. I disputed this as much as what’s coming, Flames can’t take that kind of cap, especially if the desire is to sign Hall. Not only is Johnny signed to a better deal, he’s got to have more value than voracek. Right? Ghost comes with a significant amount of money too. So I can’t see it being legit. But the source seems reliable.

The Flames aren't trading Johnny for two bad contracts. And taking on $6M/yr more than they are sending out.

That deal isn't happening unless there are 2 additional top-end picks / prospects coming

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Originally Posted by Fischy13

Just the messenger here and twice removed from the very inside source claimed. Someone on the Philly team.

Rumour is it’s ghost and voracek coming for Johnny. I disputed this as much as what’s coming, Flames can’t take that kind of cap, especially if the desire is to sign Hall. Not only is Johnny signed to a better deal, he’s got to have more value than voracek. Right? Ghost comes with a significant amount of money too. So I can’t see it being legit. But the source seems reliable.

Ghost & Voracek alone would be a disaster of a trade for the Flames.

Ghost, Voracek, 1st, Frost/Patrick for Johnny (and maybe a 3rd or something), sign me up.

So, as usual, depends what the full deal would be before I make judgement.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Fischy13

Just the messenger here and twice removed from the very inside source claimed. Someone on the Philly team.

Rumour is it’s ghost and voracek coming for Johnny. I disputed this as much as what’s coming, Flames can’t take that kind of cap, especially if the desire is to sign Hall. Not only is Johnny signed to a better deal, he’s got to have more value than voracek. Right? Ghost comes with a significant amount of money too. So I can’t see it being legit. But the source seems reliable.

That deal goes down I join the lynch mob for Treliving and will be pushing for his dismissal

[bax]

Originally Posted by Fischy13

Just the messenger here and twice removed from the very inside source claimed. Someone on the Philly team.

Rumour is it’s ghost and voracek coming for Johnny. I disputed this as much as what’s coming, Flames can’t take that kind of cap, especially if the desire is to sign Hall. Not only is Johnny signed to a better deal, he’s got to have more value than voracek. Right? Ghost comes with a significant amount of money too. So I can’t see it being legit. But the source seems reliable.

Someone on the Philly team? As in a player? I don't think they would be privy to trade discussions about their teammates. Besides, from what's been out there I really don't get the sense the Flames are shopping Johnny at all- maybe next season.

That would be a horrendous trade for Calgary though.

[Doctorfever]

I can see how a sign and trade scenario would be great for the Blues. Sign for 8 and trade him.
But why would AP do this? Would just be helping the team he is leaving and weakening the team he is being traded to.

Doesn’t make sense from the players perspective. Unless the 8th year means that much to him.

Would his agent be pushing for this to maximize the contract value?

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[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I can see how a sign and trade scenario would be great for the Blues. Sign for 8 and trade him.
But why would AP do this? Would just be helping the team he is leaving and weakening the team he is being traded to.

Doesn’t make sense from the players perspective. Unless the 8th year means that much to him.

Would his agent be pushing for this to maximize the contract value?

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What does this look like value wise? Is the value really “AP on a long term deal”? Or is it “slightly more than just picking him up as a UFA”? He’s still going to pick his team, so the list is short.