2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Gaskal]

Unless we're getting like two firsts then Philly can F off.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

What does this look like value wise? Is the value really “AP on a long term deal”? Or is it “slightly more than just picking him up as a UFA”? He’s still going to pick his team, so the list is short.

Not sure.

If you are the Flames, you could trade for his rights and sign him to 7 years at $9 per. Total $63. Cost you a 4th for his right or more?)


If the Blues sign him to 8 x $8 and trade him, the Flames would definitely pay more to have the $1 million in cap space. Would the cost be a 2nd rounder?
And would AP be happy signing that deal?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Unless we're getting like two firsts then Philly can F off.

Two late 1sts? Nah %^*+ that noise too.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Fischy13

Just the messenger here and twice removed from the very inside source claimed. Someone on the Philly team.

Rumour is it’s ghost and voracek coming for Johnny. I disputed this as much as what’s coming, Flames can’t take that kind of cap, especially if the desire is to sign Hall. Not only is Johnny signed to a better deal, he’s got to have more value than voracek. Right? Ghost comes with a significant amount of money too. So I can’t see it being legit. But the source seems reliable.

Tell your friend it’s Johnny Gaudreau for Joel Embiid or we’re hanging up the phone.

[Erick Estrada]

I'm not sure if Treliving is legitimately going to roll on holding on to Gaudreau and maybe losing him for nothing or if he's just playing the game not outright shopping him and only listening to offers to thwart the Kijiji offers a GM gets when shopping a player hard.

[Niemo]

Voracek and Ghost are 2 guys with negative trade value IMO. No WAY we take them for Johnny. I'm on the trade Johnny boat, but that's because I believe he has great value.

I don't see us and Philly as good trade partners though. I'd rather trade with NJD.

[Vinny01]

Frost+Ghost+1st+2nd is a deal that could work out for the Flames but it is not exciting. It allows them to move Hanifin in another deal for futures and provides a elc and expansion draft exempt player in Frost who steps into the lineup next year and a couple of picks to build the prospect pool.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Not sure.

If you are the Flames, you could trade for his rights and sign him to 7 years at $9 per. Total $63. Cost you a 4th for his right or more?)


If the Blues sign him to 8 x $8 and trade him, the Flames would definitely pay more to have the $1 million in cap space. Would the cost be a 2nd rounder?
And would AP be happy signing that deal?

Why would Pietrangelo agree to 8x8 instead of 7x9? Play another year for $1M after you have already earned $63M? I don't think so.

The sign and trade makes no sense for Pietrangelo and it makes no sense for the team signing him. Great deal for St Louis though.

[Jiri Hrdina]

What the hell happened to Ghost anyways? How did he become so cruddy?
Voracek is at least still a productive player. But Ghost? What happened to him?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Fischy13

Just the messenger here and twice removed from the very inside source claimed. Someone on the Philly team.

Rumour is it’s ghost and voracek coming for Johnny. I disputed this as much as what’s coming, Flames can’t take that kind of cap, especially if the desire is to sign Hall. Not only is Johnny signed to a better deal, he’s got to have more value than voracek. Right? Ghost comes with a significant amount of money too. So I can’t see it being legit. But the source seems reliable.

I would suggest that you go ask your twice removed source why on earth they think the Flames would do that?

The Flames would be FAR better off giving Johnny to Philly for nothing, and keeping the $12.75M in cap space (which they could use to chase Pietrangelo and Hall - in other words, GOOD players)

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Why would Pietrangelo agree to 8x8 instead of 7x9? Play another year for $1M after you have already earned $63M? I don't think so.

The sign and trade makes no sense for Pietrangelo and it makes no sense for the team signing him. Great deal for St Louis though.

Sign and trades could happen for two reasons
- The player wants the 8th year
- The acquiring team wants the 8th year to lower the AAV

[Niemo]

Is your insider Jimmy Hayes?

He also says NYR 1st OV for Brady Tkachuk + 3rd OV.......... Melnyk isn't that dumb is he?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

What the hell happened to Ghost anyways? How did he become so cruddy?
Voracek is at least still a productive player. But Ghost? What happened to him?

LOTS of young defenders come into the league with no pressure, no defensive responsibilities, and lots of confidence, and have a good year or two in that situation. Maata is an example off the top of my head.

Then the reality of the NHL sets in, and they are expected to improve (some do, some don't), expected to play defense (some can, some can't), and contribute on a daily basis, with a more complete workload.

I am not suggesting that they all fail, I am just saying that that first sheltered year, when it's all offensive situations with no responsibilities and no expectations, is a very difficult thing to build on.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Why would Pietrangelo agree to 8x8 instead of 7x9? Play another year for $1M after you have already earned $63M? I don't think so.

The sign and trade makes no sense for Pietrangelo and it makes no sense for the team signing him. Great deal for St Louis though.

Why are you assuming the last year would be $1mil? I thought that option was removed.

Agreed that the scenario doesn’t help anyone but St. Louis. Just complicates things.

Edit: haha never mind. Math is a bitch.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Sign and trades could happen for two reasons
- The player wants the 8th year
- The acquiring team wants the 8th year to lower the AAV

Again, you can't lower the AAV significantly any more. Maybe $500k tops.

But in order to do that, you are asking the player to take that 8th year for a significantly reduced salary (35% drop). It doesn't make a lot of sense for the player. And it isn't a significant savings for the team any more. And there is a (presumed) cost to compensate the other team

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[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Why are you assuming the last year would be $1mil? I thought that option was removed.

Agreed that the scenario doesn’t help anyone but St. Louis. Just complicates things.

Edit: haha never mind. Math is a bitch.

I am not. I was referring to the post that compared 7x9 with 8x8

If 7x9 is on the table, the player is not going to be interested in talking about an 8x8 offer

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

The lowest year can only be 35% lower than the highest year now...it's hard to shave much cap off of a similarly structured 7 year deal.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Which means the most that the AAV can be pulled down by adding the 8th year is 5%, or $400k on $8M.

IMO, that is not worth the 8th year in and of itself. Never mind the fact that, in order to accommodate this, you would need to trade with St Louis.

The only reason to do this would be that the only way he would sign with your team would be if you got him the 8th year.

Thanks for these, this was the exact point I was trying to make. A sign and trade makes the AP acquisition much less appealing imo.

[Monahammer]

The rumored Gaudreau trade is Horawful.

Trying to make it better for me:

Gaudreau+Hanifin for Voracek+Ghost+Myers+Patrick+1st 2020


Nah still hate it.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Originally Posted by Fischy13

Just the messenger here and twice removed from the very inside source claimed. Someone on the Philly team.

Rumour is it’s ghost and voracek coming for Johnny. I disputed this as much as what’s coming, Flames can’t take that kind of cap, especially if the desire is to sign Hall. Not only is Johnny signed to a better deal, he’s got to have more value than voracek. Right? Ghost comes with a significant amount of money too. So I can’t see it being legit. But the source seems reliable.

Funny, listening to Loubo yesterday he mentioned that he expects to see a Carolina-type trade.

I.E. trade 1 good player to address a couple needs. In this case however, these players suck, so no idea why Tre would do that.

But Tre also likes to hire crap coaches so who knows.

[robertsfanatic]

any trade with Philly would have to include Konecny or Couturier to even be close, right? unless it's Voracek and a lot of picks and prospects?