2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by timbit

I’m a big Hanifin advocate...but...

Sam Bennett was ranked #1 by CS in 2014.

Tough job evaluating 18 year old kids.

What is your point?...are you taking me out of context? You need to read was was being discussed in the thread

BlasterMaster said Hanifin was never hyped like a top Dman (Jones ect.)

HE WAS

Not suggesting his ranking matters now...although he is 23

[timbit]

Originally Posted by dino7c

What is your point?...are you taking me out of context? You need to read was was being discussed in the thread

BlasterMaster said Hanifin was never hyped like a top Dman (Jones ect.)

HE WAS

My mistake. Misread.

[Sandman]

I remember back to the USA U-18 evaluation camp, the scouts and the media were there to see Hanifin. Werenski, McAvoy, Dougherty, Glover, and i think Caleb Jones were there, along with a few others-but Hanifin was the story. Same thing the year prior at the U-17s. There was just as much hype about Hanifin as there has been for just about any D-men.

[Blaster86]

Hanafin was never even remotely thought of in the same way as Jones or a Hedman or a Dahlin. He was a "solid defensive" guy. Lol.

Originally Posted by dino7c

BlasterMaster said Hanifin was never hyped like a top Dman (Jones ect.)

HE WAS

Lol, no, he wasn't.

[TheScorpion]

This is totally revisionist.

https://www.thedraftanalyst.com/nhl-.../noah-hanifin/

Regardless of how McDavid’s or Eichel’s respective careers turn out, history should be very kind to Hanifin, who some consider the best draft eligible American-trained defenseman in decades. Hanifin is an outstanding two-way defenseman.

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When you look at Hanifin from a purely individual standpoint, he’s top notch in so many areas. He is a tremendous skater forward and back, and possesses a long reach. This makes him difficult to beat one-on-one or in odd-man situations. Thus, his gap control is impeccable for anyone, let alone a teenager, and rarely does he resort to hooks and grabs. What makes him dangerous is when he takes these shutdown abilities and combines it with his superior IQ; at the blink of an eye, he’s stripped the puck clean and transitions the other way. Hanifin is a hard and accurate passer, especially across/up the ice, but he is also adept at beating pressure with a simple chip or ladle. He’s got great hands for a guy his size, specifically on the power play when he’s receiving hard cross-ice passes on either his backhand or forehand. He has an average shot, but it’s accurate and keeps it low. From a physical standpoint, Hanifin is big, but his physical play is part of a process rather than a reaction. He has delivered big hits and can clear the crease, but not at the cost of positioning.

...

Should be groomed for leadership role at an early age. Bottom line: Franchise-type cornerstone No. 1 defenseman everybody wants.

[blender]

I feel that Hanafin (and Bennett) need coaching.
Players can be coached up. Any player in his prime, barring injury, can improve with coaching and training. It happens often. Even marginal improvement is significant at the NHL level.
I'd hope that any return for Hanafin would be significant as the Flames paid a lot for him.
Also, Hanafin looked the best I've seen him in the playoffs. Is it Anderson? Is it Ward?

[Flamenspiel]

Yes, exactly why you do not trade him. Poking around the web this whole thing is pure speculation by a Rangers blogger. I gather because they picked up Adam Fox for a song they think every player drops into their hands.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Hanafin was never even remotely thought of in the same way as Jones or a Hedman or a Dahlin. He was a "solid defensive" guy. Lol.





Lol, no, he wasn't.

Did you read my post right above yours? Yes, he was.

All the way back to the U-17s.

[blender]

Blaster, I like your contributions here, but I think you are off on this one, lol.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Hanafin was never even remotely thought of in the same way as Jones or a Hedman or a Dahlin. He was a "solid defensive" guy. Lol.





Lol, no, he wasn't.

Are you even reading what people are posting...you were proven wrong, admit it and move on. Or keep digging

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

This is totally revisionist.

https://www.thedraftanalyst.com/nhl-.../noah-hanifin/

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Are you even reading what people are posting...

Christ, no.

Originally Posted by dino7c

you were proven wrong, admit it and move on. Or keep digging

Have shovel, will work.

I'd still dump Hanafin for just about anything at this stage. I said it mid-season, I said when he was traded to the flames. I said it when it was rumoured the Canucks were going to trade the 7th OA for him. Hanafin just isn't going to be more than he is and won't ever be, dammit.

[Classic_Sniper]

I can definitely see where Blaster is coming from.

I get that Hanifin is only 23, but he’s also played 5 seasons at the NHL level and hasn’t shown the type of impact ability that rookies Makar and Hughes have shown. Even fellow 2015 draftees Provorov, Werenski and Chabot have surpassed Hanifin in development.

I’m not going to say Hanifin will never get there. But personally, based on what I’ve seen, his play has been pretty unexceptional on both ends. So I’d be in favor of moving him now while he’s still young enough to command a bevy of assets. Although a lateral trade for a quality forward would suffice.


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[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

I can definitely see where Blaster is coming from.

I get that Hanifin is only 23, but he’s also played 5 seasons at the NHL level and hasn’t shown the type of impact ability that rookies Makar and Hughes have shown. Even fellow 2015 draftees Provorov, Werenski and Chabot have surpassed Hanifin in development.

I’m not going to say Hanifin will never get there. But personally, based on what I’ve seen, his play has been pretty unexceptional on both ends. So I’d be in favor of moving him now while he’s still young enough to command a bevy of assets. Although a lateral trade for a quality forward would suffice.


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You need to read the convo...nobody is saying Hanifin is that guy...Blaster said he was never hyped like a top dman and was proven wrong

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[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Hanifin was ranked #3 by central scouting in the 2015 draft after McDavid and Eichel...you better believe he had the hype

I think this is why it feels like their was less hype around Hanifin. There was so much hype around McDavid and Eichel that is felt like picking #3 was a disappointment. Where as in 2013, the entire top 6 was very very highly praised.

Although, I do think that Seth Jones was projected a little higher and he was projected as a top pairing defenseman, while Hanifin was more projected as a 2-3

[Flash Walken]

Blaster is wrong, hype was real.

Hype diminished as Hanifin failed to develop/transition as expected which is why Carolina made him available in the first place.

I was hype for Hanifin as while he did not have the offense of Hamilton I believed him to be a more well rounded player at the time of the trade but again development appears to have more or less plateaud with him which is why I believe he is once again available.

Overall, a downgrade on asset value without much of a contractual benefit.

[Sandman]

Overall, even if he never reaches the point totals he was supposed to, I'm still good with what he brings right now (now that he's shaken the Hamonic monkey off his back). Swift skating, puck moving, top-4 guy who will compliment whatever partner he gets, and put up 30 pts.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Blaster is wrong, hype was real.

Hype diminished as Hanifin failed to develop/transition as expected which is why Carolina made him available in the first place.

I was hype for Hanifin as while he did not have the offense of Hamilton I believed him to be a more well rounded player at the time of the trade but again development appears to have more or less plateaud with him which is why I believe he is once again available.

Overall, a downgrade on asset value without much of a contractual benefit.

I do not buy the bolded at all. Dundon had just taken over ownership of the team and was being super picky on giving raises to players; it is no coincidence that the two players they moved out were former high picks that were RFAs.

[Nelson]

Carolina is the team I’d be most scared to trade with in the NHL. I think they might have the smartest management group.

Eric Tulsky, Kevin Kan, Margaret Cunniff and Matt Walter. I think those four are the reason why Carolina makes so many smart decisions.

[Vinny01]

Blaster doesn’t remember the Hanifin hype because that was shortly after the Flames crushed any hope the Sedins would ever win a Stanley Cup. Probably buried his head in the sand until well after the draft.

Thanks again for Rasmus hope you are still enjoying Baertschi!