2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Basically it is to:
- Criticize moves made
- Criticize moves that weren't made but could have happened
- Criticize moves that haven't happened but might

Is a Flames board member honestly posting stuff like this on a message board?

[Burn13]

Originally Posted by dino7c

McDavid dressed like Trump for Halloween...do not want

You should want more.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I have not heard that and couldn't find anything on it - do you have anything on that?

All I can find is the rule that has been in place for a while: the recapture penalty equals the cap savings. and if Suter were to retire now, that would be a $20M hit for the Wild.

Explains it:
https://www.ontheforecheck.com/2020/...dators-for-now

The MOU has it on as item 63

https://www.nhlpa.com/the-pa/cba

Basically the cap recapture penalty cannot exceed the players cap hit in a single year and if it does, it gets spread out over many years.

[Harry Lime]

https://www.tsn.ca/trade-bait-10-con...ason-1.1525752

Stats: 44 games, 2.50 GAA, .920 SV%

Contract: Three years at $4.92 million AAV

Scoop: Bishop could be an interesting addition to the NHL’s game of goaltending musical chairs this off-season.

Ben Bishop is a better option than anyone else on the market, and no one is looking that way. Hanifin and Rittich for Bishop and Dickenson? Dallas adds a little?

[Enoch Root]

So the Wild would still wear the $20M

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

https://www.tsn.ca/trade-bait-10-con...ason-1.1525752

Ben Bishop is a better option than anyone else on the market, and no one is looking that way. Hanifin and Rittich for Bishop and Dickenson? Dallas adds a little?

Bishop and the Flames are just not meant to be

[Roof-Daddy]

I'm not understanding why Dallas would move Bishop. They have no other NHL goalies signed, Khudobin is a UFA, and although he's had a good run with Bishop out, I doubt they want to re-sign him and run with him as the starter.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I think Hanifin played well in the bubble, so I'm surprised if he's on the block

The issue isn't Hanafin isn't decent. The issue with Hanafin is, despite being young and cost controlled, he is what he is. There isn't any untapped ability there. He came into the league a steady #3-#5 guy, he's been a steady #3-#5 guy, he will be a steady #3-#5 guy. The only thing that could forseeably happen is he could get worse. So you sell now, while he's still worth a good haul.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

The issue isn't Hanafin isn't decent. The issue with Hanafin is, despite being young and cost controlled, he is what he is. There isn't any untapped ability there. He came into the league a steady #3-#5 guy, he's been a steady #3-#5 guy, he will be a steady #3-#5 guy. The only thing that could forseeably happen is he could get worse. So you sell now, while he's still worth a good haul.

No 23 year old defenseman 'is what he is'.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

The issue isn't Hanafin isn't decent. The issue with Hanafin is, despite being young and cost controlled, he is what he is. There isn't any untapped ability there. He came into the league a steady #3-#5 guy, he's been a steady #3-#5 guy, he will be a steady #3-#5 guy. The only thing that could forseeably happen is he could get worse. So you sell now, while he's still worth a good haul.

That's my feelings too.I don't see him developing into a top pairing Dman, hopefully the Flames can move him for help up front or some decent draft picks because he's still on a fair contract for what he brings.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No 23 year old defenseman 'is what he is'.

To support this, Hanifin has looked better and better to me. Not sure if the analytics match up, but he seems to be getting more and more reliable on defence, which was the biggest hole in this game.



Defencemen 'are what they are' usually by the time they hit 28-30. Not 23. Sure, once in a while you get a Phaneuf. More often than not you get a Giordano, MacInnis, etc. Sometimes they come in and put up a good amount of points, but it usually takes defencemen a number of years to be really good defensive players - and some never really get there at all.


Hanifin was atrocious defensively. If you look up some of his old interviews, he even points out that growing up around hockey and including right up until the draft, his coaches wouldn't really get him to focus on defence much at all since he was good at putting up points. He looked awful in his first season or two in Carolina - I mean horrendous in his own zone.


Now? Looks fairly steady to me. Doesn't seem to make too many mistakes - at least not more than any other top 4 defender out there. Last 2 seasons - especially his time paired with someone who is also competent - has shown him to be an excellent defencemen who is also very good in transition. He looks better and better and actually seems to be taking some steps forward.


I would agree with Blaster 100% if Hanifin was a forward and not a defencemen (well, even then they rarely are who they are at 23, but they peak earlier) and if I couldn't see him actually getting better with my very own eyes.

[Crown Royal]

Hanifin has absolutely shown progression each season with the Flames, claiming he is what he is, is simply not a smart statement. He might be what he is offensively, but his defensive game is likely to keep improving for several years.

[Enoch Root]

I would bet large that he has not peaked offensively either

[Bonded]

I would want to see Hanifin play for a full season without Hamonic unless the return was super titled in the Flames favour.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No 23 year old defenseman 'is what he is'.

Alright then. Are you implying you see the ability to become a #1 or #2 in Hanafin? If so, you're going to be on a very lonely, very wrong island.


Edit - Lol, you guys are crazy. He looks the exact same now as he did 2 years ago with Carolina. Legit, go watch his old games and then watch his new ones. Nothing has changed.


And that's not even a bad thing. He's a young d-man who can do a lot of good. But he's never going to be more than a solid #3 - #5 guy.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Alright then. Are you implying you see the ability to become a #1 or #2 in Hanafin? If so, you're going to be on a very lonely, very wrong island.

#2 isn't out of the question in my opinion

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Bonded

#2 isn't out of the question in my opinion

On a terrible team, sure.

Guys, Alex Edler was a #1 dman.

[Barca]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No 23 year old defenseman 'is what he is'.

He's right though..

IF Hanifin is traded, he will be on his 3rd team at the young age of 23.

he's been a minus player for 6 out of the 8 years of his hockey career.

if it wasn't for the 18/19 season where it seemed like everyone on the flames had career years, he would've been a minus player for 5 straight years in the NHL.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Barca

He's right though..

IF Hanifin is traded, he will be on his 3rd team at the young age of 23.

he's been a minus player for 6 out of the 8 years of his hockey career.

if it wasn't for the 18/19 season where it seemed like everyone on the flames had career years, he would've been a minus player for 5 straight years in the NHL.

He is right that hanifin has been a 3-5 guy so far in his career, yes.

But again, no defenseman is a finished product at 23. Ever.

He is a great skater, plays physical, and has all kinds of untapped offensive talent. He is a perfect candidate to put it all together at some point and be a clear top-pairing guy.

Doesn't mean he will. But anyone who thinks he is what he is simply don't know what they are talking about.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

On a terrible team, sure.

Guys, Alex Edler was a #1 dman.

End of conversation then, amirite?