2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

This makes me want to vomit.
I would much rather give a 1st round pick for Kuemper, and I don't want to do that at all.

If you're going to throw away the future by having a very old, overpaid goalie for many years, you might as well throw away draft picks as well.

Markstrom has only had one pretty good season in his career.
With three years of a flat cap, a contract like this could be, and very likely would be, beyond disastrous. He would be 34 years old in the middle of the contract.

Which season are you calling the “one pretty good one”? He’s had the same numbers pretty much since he became a starter, and on some crappy teams at that. This year was a few points better, but so was the team.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Yeah, I mean, they wanted to trade for a guy who had Calgary on his no-trade list and that guy wanted to be paid a crazy premium to play in a market he didn't want to be in and the flames were willing to trade Tkachuk to do it...

I'm getting light headed, I need to sit down.

The Flames backed out when Tkachuk fell to them so no I don’t think they were willing to move him. This is all hearsay who knows if that pick was ever really on the table? It wouldn’t surprise me if the Flames were not stoked on Juolevi, Keller, Alex Nylander, Sergachev or Jost. Tkachuk should this be been there at 6 but thanks to the Jackets, Oilers and Canucks he was gift wrapped for Calgary


7x7 didn’t seem like a crazy premium for a goalie that just finished 3 straight years of being an elite 60+ per game starter with a .926 save %. Bishop has a career .920 in over 400 games and a GAA ov 2.34 over his career.

End of the day we don’t know what happened to have the deal fall apart or if the 6th pick was even part of it. My point stands that clearly Elliott was a plan B and I wasn’t a fan of it then and clearly no one is a fan of it now.

I just can’t wait to roll my eyes when I see you post sometime later “I was told the Flames were going to move a top 10 pick for a 29 year old goalie” or some other form of the pure garbage that comes from your fingers.

[Vinny01]

Giving up a pick for Kuemper likely results in the Flames losing him in 2 years, or paying a 32 year old bigger money on longer term. If he hasn’t earned bigger money than likely the trade will be a pure loss. If Kuemper was 2-3 years younger I would be all for it but at 30 I am nervous giving that pick up

[868904]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Not a chance IMO. The asks we are hearing on rumours are not cap dumps, they are actually sounding quite expensive.

I heard on Vancouver radio that Vegas was considering a buyout of Fleury, think it was Bieksa who referenced Friedman as a source.

[Bonded]

Another team could also be considering paying a first for Kuemper as well. I could see the Avs doing it

[868904]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I find it hard to believe that we would be paying a 1st for Kuemper when we have the clear advantage over the Coyotes. They are looking to shed salary, sadly because of COVID and ownership not being able to afford to pay their players on time. We have the ball in our court.

Would rather trade for 2 years of Kuemper than signing a long term deal to a goalie. Long term UFA deals haven't gone our way since Hudler.

Thing is, Arizona lost next years 1st rounder too, there’s no guarantee they are being offered 19th overall this year. Flames could be offering a 2021 lottery protected pick.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Giving up a pick for Kuemper likely results in the Flames losing him in 2 years, or paying a 32 year old bigger money on longer term. If he hasn’t earned bigger money than likely the trade will be a pure loss. If Kuemper was 2-3 years younger I would be all for it but at 30 I am nervous giving that pick up

I think with Kuemper the Flames could legitimately compete right away - and that’s the most important thing in my eyes.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I think with Kuemper the Flames could legitimately compete right away - and that’s the most important thing in my eyes.

I think you could be right but I also think they could be in the same spot with Markstrom and also have the prospect they would get with 19

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think you could be right but I also think they could be in the same spot with Markstrom and also have the prospect they would get with 19

Yeah, I don’t disagree - but I do put Kuemper ahead of Markstrom.

So long as Tree ends up with one of them, I’m happy.

One of them + Hall is what I’m dreaming of for this team.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Which season are you calling the “one pretty good one”? He’s had the same numbers pretty much since he became a starter, and on some crappy teams at that. This year was a few points better, but so was the team.

Just this past season - the only season above 91.5% (other than the 7 games in 2011).

Compare to Robin Lehner, rumoured to be signing a 5 x 5, who has a career average that is higher than Markstrom's best season. This is despite the fact that Lehner has spent about 75% of his career on bad Ottawa and Buffalo teams, has played more games, and is younger.

Giving Markstrom a 5.5 x 6 deal after Lehner signs a 5 x 5 would be embarrassing.
I know the Lehner signing isn't official, and I know it might be a hometown discount, but still.
A huge contract for Markstrom would harm the Flames more than a wasted pick on Kuemper would.
Either way, I'd rather just sign Holtby for a year or keep what they have now.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The Flames backed out when Tkachuk fell to them so no I don’t think they were willing to move him. This is all hearsay who knows if that pick was ever really on the table? It wouldn’t surprise me if the Flames were not stoked on Juolevi, Keller, Alex Nylander, Sergachev or Jost. Tkachuk should this be been there at 6 but thanks to the Jackets, Oilers and Canucks he was gift wrapped for Calgary


7x7 didn’t seem like a crazy premium for a goalie that just finished 3 straight years of being an elite 60+ per game starter with a .926 save %. Bishop has a career .920 in over 400 games and a GAA ov 2.34 over his career.

End of the day we don’t know what happened to have the deal fall apart or if the 6th pick was even part of it. My point stands that clearly Elliott was a plan B and I wasn’t a fan of it then and clearly no one is a fan of it now.

I just can’t wait to roll my eyes when I see you post sometime later “I was told the Flames were going to move a top 10 pick for a 29 year old goalie” or some other form of the pure garbage that comes from your fingers.

Who to believe, who to believe, jabroni on a message board or professional hockey writers like Eliotte Friedman

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Friedman says the Bishop deal to Calgary last summer was killed by Flames ownership:

https://www.fanragsports.com/news/fr...p-last-summer/

Prior to the 2016 NHL Draft, the Flames had a deal in principle agreed to with the Lightning for Bishop – it’s unclear what would have gone the other way, but presumably it would have involved the sixth overall pick – but the Flames balked at Bishop’s contract ask (reportedly seven years at $7 million per).

https://flamesnation.ca/2017/05/09/r...p-three-times/

I guess we'll just never know...

[SportsJunky]

Lol at jabroni. Would have also accepted jamoke.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Who to believe, who to believe, jabroni on a message board or professional hockey writers like Eliotte Friedman




https://flamesnation.ca/2017/05/09/r...p-three-times/

I guess we'll just never know...

So money it looks like money could have been an issue.

I guess the one thing we still know is Elliott was not the plan A that year and the trade fell through no air quotes needed

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Who to believe, who to believe, jabroni on a message board or professional hockey writers like Eliotte Friedman

Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss View Post
Friedman says the Bishop deal to Calgary last summer was killed by Flames ownership:

https://www.fanragsports.com/news/fr...p-last-summer/
Quote:
Prior to the 2016 NHL Draft, the Flames had a deal in principle agreed to with the Lightning for Bishop – it’s unclear what would have gone the other way, but presumably it would have involved the sixth overall pick – but the Flames balked at Bishop’s contract ask (reportedly seven years at $7 million per).
https://flamesnation.ca/2017/05/09/r...p-three-times/

I guess we'll just never know...

Yeah, I mean, they wanted to trade for a guy who had Calgary on his no-trade list and that guy wanted to be paid a crazy premium to play in a market he didn't want to be in and the flames were willing to trade Tkachuk to do it...

I'm getting light headed, I need to sit down.

Presumably it included 6th overall.

Doesn't mean it included 6th overall, but that is the guess.

Also, I am not sure what your current bitch is, are you upset we did not trade Chucky for Bishop?
Or upset that we almost did, but didn't actually do it, thus potentially almost made a mistake?
It is hard for me to follow your complaint of the moment.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Presumably it included 6th overall.

Doesn't mean it included 6th overall, but that is the guess.

Also, I am not sure what your current bitch is, are you upset we did not trade Chucky for Bishop?
Or upset that we almost did, but didn't actually do it, thus potentially almost made a mistake?
It is hard for me to follow your complaint of the moment.

Basically it is to:
- Criticize moves made
- Criticize moves that weren't made but could have happened
- Criticize moves that haven't happened but might

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Basically it is to:
- Criticize moves made
- Criticize moves that weren't made but could have happened
- Criticize moves that haven't happened but might

Sounds about right, but it might be missing:

-Criticize those who are involved in all of the above, no matter which of the above is or is not taken.

I could not imagine being so negative so often about something which is supposed to be fun, but that's just me.

[FlamesAddiction]

How much of an effect did last season have on Gaudreau's value as a trade asset?

His shooting percentage was down 6% from 14.6% to 8.6%, plus his total shots taken from the previous season were down by almost 15%. So it's not like his percentage got watered down by shooting more. That was with essentially the same coaching staff and line-mates. His shooting percentage was the 3rd worst on the team for forwards followed only by Quine and Reider.


If I was an inquiring team, that is a bit of a red flag. We might be over valuing him.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

So, you won't move a 3rd liner for a top 4 defenseman, because of a hope and a prayer? Seems logical to me.

I am not going to move a 3rd liner who comes on the cheap, still has plenty of potential, and is money in the playoffs for an overpaid overrated #4 D man. Seems very logical to me.

[shutout]

Five steps:

1 - Gaudreau to Wild for Dumba
2 - Monahan to Sabres for Cozens, #&, and Okposo (money balance)
3 - Giordano to Leafs for Hyman
4 - Sign Markstrom as UFA - 5 years @ $5.5M
5 - Sign Hoffman as UFA - 3 years @ $5M (more goals and points than Hall)

Tkachuk Lindholm Hyman
Hoffman Bennett Dube
Mangiane Backlund Okposo
Rieder Ryan Lucic
Gawdin

Hanifin Andersson
Valimaki Dumba
Forbert Kylington
Mackey

Markstrom
Rittich

[theTrumanShow]

Originally Posted by shutout

Five steps:

1 - Gaudreau to Wild for Dumba
2 - Monahan to Sabres for Cozens, #&, and Okposo (money balance)
3 - Giordano to Leafs for Hyman
4 - Sign Markstrom as UFA - 5 years @ $5.5M
5 - Sign Hoffman as UFA - 3 years @ $5M (more goals and points than Hall)

Tkachuk Lindholm Hyman
Hoffman Bennett Dube
Mangiane Backlund Okposo
Rieder Ryan Lucic
Gawdin

Hanifin Andersson
Valimaki Dumba
Forbert Kylington
Mackey

Markstrom
Rittich

Dear God No. Dumba sucks. these offers are yuck. I'd prefer to keep what we have as opposed to those hot messes.