2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Parise only gets paid big bucks for 2 more years, it's one of the last of the big back diving contracts before the rules were changed. Last 3 years he only gets paid 2M-1M-1M, reasonable chance that he retires or could be traded as a cheap buyout / high cap hit to some cheapass like Melnyk. Parise gets paid 14M over the next 2 years and Lucic 11.375 (EDM pays $1.625) over the next 3 years. Parise is still a decent player who get 20-30 goals, CGY should be all over that deal but I doubt MIN would be interested. If Parise does retire MIN would also get hit with recapture so that lessens the chance of trading him before a buyout is reasonable, Parise also has a full NMC.

That might be attractive to a team like ARI, but no, the Flames should not be 'all over that' because the cap hit is crushing.

[N-E-B]

Pass on Reimer. I’d rather just bring Talbot back.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Parise only gets paid big bucks for 2 more years, it's one of the last of the big back diving contracts before the rules were changed. Last 3 years he only gets paid 2M-1M-1M, reasonable chance that he retires or could be traded as a cheap buyout / high cap hit to some cheapass like Melnyk. Parise gets paid 14M over the next 2 years and Lucic 11.375 (EDM pays $1.625) over the next 3 years. Parise is still a decent player who get 20-30 goals, CGY should be all over that deal but I doubt MIN would be interested. Parise also has a full NMC.

A Parise buyout would not be cheap in terms of salary cap because of the contract being front-load as buyout factor that into account.

If bought out immediately, the buyout costs would be:

1. 738,461
2. 2,738,461
3. 6,738,461
4. 7,738,461
5. 7,738,461
6. 1,200,000
7. 1,200,000
8. 1,200,000
9. 1,200,000
10. 1,200,000

After 2020-21:

1. 2,371,794
2. 6,371,794
3. 7,371,794
4. 7,371,794
5. 833,333
6. 833,333
7. 833,333
8. 833,333

After 2021-22:

1. 5,982,905
2. 6,982,905
3. 6,982,905
4. 444,444
5. 444,444
6. 444,444

After 2022-23:

1. 6,871,794
2. 6,871,794
3. 333,333
4. 333,333

After 2023-24:

1. 6,871,794
2. 333,333

[Harry Lime]

If Parise retires at age 38 in 2023, with three years left, wouldn't Minnesota shoulder most of the recapture penalty regardless of what team he is on?

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

https://twitter.com/user/status/1306356345046695936

Reimer has one year left on his contract that pays him $3.4m per. Had solid numbers in Raleigh this year.

To add to this, all but 850k are paid because of the signing bonus too, so for a team looking to save dollars and isn't worried about cap hit, that could be a great deal. It also makes it very easy for Carolina to retain 50% at minimal financial cost.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That might be attractive to a team like ARI, but no, the Flames should not be 'all over that' because the cap hit is crushing.

Flames should be all over that because Parise is a way better player, if you look at his contract structure it's unlikely he plays more than 2 (max 3) more years. He's worth 2M more in cap hit for a couple years compared to Lucic.

[Enoch Root]

and what if he doesn't retire?

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

A Parise buyout would not be cheap in terms of salary cap because of the contract being front-load as buyout factor that into account.

Flames wouldn't buy him out, they'd just let him retire. It's MIN that needs the contract bought out.


Edit: Those buyout numbers are if MIN buys him out.

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

If Parise retires at age 38 in 2023, with three years left, wouldn't Minnesota shoulder most of the recapture penalty regardless of what team he is on?

Almost all of it, there's only about 500K next year left that would be recaptured and that would be spread over multiple years. If he gets traded to a cap floor team and they buy him out then there is no recapture and it's a regular buyout. I'm sure MIN could be convinced to sweeten the pot to make that happen.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

and what if he doesn't retire?

Well you would probably ask him before you make the trade.
He's made almost 100M in his career, like Luongo he probably won't want to keep going for 1M/year when he is almost 40 but who knows I guess.


Anyway, not going to spend hours arguing the merits of trading for Parise. We'll have to agree to disagree.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Flames wouldn't buy him out, they'd just let him retire. It's MIN that needs the contract bought out.

Which there is absolutely zero guarantee of him doing. I'm also not sold on Parise waiving his NMC to go to Calgary. He signed his deal in hopes of retiring at home, I think the only places he waives for are the NJ/NY/PHI areas because it's close to another areas he calls home

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

I could see Colorado dropping a dump truck of money on him on a 1 or 2 year deal to really push their chips all in.

Then the question becomes whether he's interested in the Flames.

I think Colorado only has a 1 year window to do that. Makar and Landeskog need new deals next offseason so i don’t think they would do a 2 year deal

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Which there is absolutely zero guarantee of him doing. I'm also not sold on Parise waiving his NMC to go to Calgary. He signed his deal in hopes of retiring at home, I think the only places he waives for are the NJ/NY/PHI areas because it's close to another areas he calls home

I edited my post but those buyout numbers you posted are if MIN buys him out. Pretty sure those numbers would change if another team buys him out. Anyway, I didn't say he would waive, just that he would be an upgrade on Lucic.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by dammage79

He has like 5 years left and is a LW. Why wpuld we do that?

-Lucic is also a LW
-Parise is better than Lucic
-Parise's contract is set up with the expectation that he will retire in 22-23
-I don't expect Lucic's play going forward to be as good as it was in the playoffs
-I think around the league, Lucic's contract would be considered worse than Parise's? (not that that is too relevant I suppose)
-Just kicking tires because there has to be a better way to spend 5.whatever million than Lucic and it isn't a very desirable contract

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Monahan for Dumba would be straight up murder. They have to add their 1st to make that deal make sense.

Monahan + 49th for Dumba + 9th? Sure.

Monahan for Dumba? Hell no. 2nd pairing defencemen are available every damn summer.

Yup.

A pick that they can use to draft a good center prospect needs to be coming back. Or a just a very good center prospect, on top of Dumba.

Monahan is easily more valuable straight across.

[TheScorpion]

looks like future Flame Alex Galchenyuk is indeed heading to UFA

https://twitter.com/user/status/1306376850206265349

[Iggy599]

I hope whatever we do to improve the team, we pick in the 1st round. Whether that be at 19 or not, ideally higher. There is finally leverage on finding a #1 goalie for the Flames given so many are available. If we trade the #19 overall, we best be planning on recouping that. As for Hall, getting his rights would be great but he’s a UFA and we can make the pitch to him if he goes to free agency and he wants to play in Calgary. Monahan has much more value than Dumba IMO and I would expect another piece in return if that was the package - pick, prospect or player that is on an upward trajectory. I’m also not opposed to just loading up on picks and prospects so we have the potential to be an actual juggernaut in a few years.

[Vinny01]

Based on what I could see from the insiders both Vancouver and Winnipeg showing a lot of interest in Dumba.

[Monahammer]

Well now that buffalo has eric Staal to solve centre problems they might be more interested in johnny.

Johnny+kylington for 8th overall+cozens+ristolainen?

[Vinny01]

The Staal acquisition makes me think he is just a placeholder for Cozens and the Sabres are not going to move him

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The Staal acquisition makes me think he is just a placeholder for Cozens and the Sabres are not going to move him

I tend to agree. Buffalo became more of an 8th overall, Middelstadt and Jokiharju sort of trade.