Barrie RH shot plus actually has a decent slapshot
How many goals are guys like Theodore, Heiskenen, and Klingberg scoring on slap shots? Todays game is a lot more about getting pucks thru screens and getting the puck away quickly as opposed to the old blow it by the goaltender. Guys will get in the way of a Chara or Weber slap shot come playoff time. But they seem to have more trouble getting out of the way of these other guys lighter shots that are finding the back of the net. I prefer a guy like Brodie who when given time on the PP or easier matchups has shown he can put up some offence plus be able to defend a bit.
I don't think he's a 5 million dollar player myself, but I'd given him that before I give it to Barrie.
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Why? Because I don't like the idea of weakening our center position just to add another one dimensional winger? Thank god you aren't the GM if you actually think that is a good idea.
I hope we re-sign Brodie, but Barrie makes sense if we can't.
Especially as Barrie was coached by Huska for 4 years in Kelowna.
I didn't even think about that connection. I just know Barrie has a very good transition game and would add a RH defenseman that can clap bombs to the point of our PP. The guy had an off year and still put up 39 points in 70 games with the Leafs. In about 80 fewer games he has about 100 more career points than Brodie. That kind of offense would be a welcome addition to our backend.
How many goals are guys like Theodore, Heiskenen, and Klingberg scoring on slap shots? Todays game is a lot more about getting pucks thru screens and getting the puck away quickly as opposed to the old blow it by the goaltender. Guys will get in the way of a Chara or Weber slap shot come playoff time. But they seem to have more trouble getting out of the way of these other guys lighter shots that are finding the back of the net. I prefer a guy like Brodie who when given time on the PP or easier matchups has shown he can put up some offence plus be able to defend a bit.
I don't think he's a 5 million dollar player myself, but I'd given him that before I give it to Barrie.
Regardless of scoring on a slapper, it typically moves the forward up to the D and opens the box abit.
Why? Because I don't like the idea of weakening our center position just to add another one dimensional winger? Thank god you aren't the GM if you actually think that is a good idea.
All you do is move Lindholm back to his natural center spot.
Lindholm as C and Laine as a winger is better then the current alternative.
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All you do is move Lindholm back to his natural center spot.
Lindholm as C and Laine as a winger is better then the current alternative.
Monahan may or may not be a 1C. Lindholm definitely isn't. And you really want to trade a centre who scores 30 goals a year, a first, and more for a one-dimensional winger?
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Monahan may or may not be a 1C. Lindholm definitely isn't. And you really want to trade a centre who scores 30 goals a year, a first, and more for a one-dimensional winger?
You bet. Laine is 22 and a lethal scorer. Guy will be a consistent 50 goal scorer. Look at monahan progression to his overall game. A few years ago he was more 1 dimensional as well. He has added to his 200 ft game and faceoff ability.
Flames have been linked to Barrie at least twice in the past year, once was a potential Brodie for Barrie swap this past season.
One reason I think this is, is because Barrie provides more offense and we really struggled to create offense from the blueline.
But that is a coaching problem imo not a defence problem. It's not like Barrie even creates that much offence on his own. The dude sucks and we would be better off getting a new coach who will let guys like Hanifin, Andersson and Valimaki have more space out there.
This set of ideas is spun off from my post in the Gaudreau proposal thread. The suggestions are a combination of what I would like to see happen, and what I expect to see happen.
Chronological order
Trade rights for TJ Brodie to Maple Leafs for rights to Tyson Barrie
Sign Tyson Barrie, 5 years @ $5,000,000
Trade Mikael Backlund and 2nd in 2020 to Arizona for Darcy Kuemper and the Rights to Taylor Hall
Sign Taylor Hall, 7 years @ 7,250,000
Trade Johnny Gaudreau and Rights to Oliver Kylington to Boston for Jake DeBrusk, Ondrej Kase and a 2021 1st round pick.
Sign Jake DeBrusk, 3 years @ $2,750,000
Trade rights to Mark Jankowski to Buffalo for a 5th in 2020
Derek Grant and Carson Soucy, 1 year @ $1,000,000 each
Re-sign Mangiapane, 2 years @ 2,250,000
Re-sign Rieder, 1 year @ 800,000
Re-sign Gawdin, Kirkland, Lomberg, Parsons, Froese & Nielsen, 1 year @ $700,000 each
Hall - Monahan - Tkachuk
DeBrusk - Lindholm - Mangiapane
Dube - Bennett - Kase
Lucic - Ryan - Grant
This a a fun exercise so here are my thoughts on this potential wild off season.
1. I actually prefer Brodie to Barrie all things considered, but I would be happy with this deal if we could get him signed to that contract. Unfortunately, I think we will be closer to 7 than to 5 and his play is a luxury that can't be justified at that price. I think he would be better suited playing more sheltered minutes and taking the #1 spot on the PP so I doubt he would line up with Gio.
2. I think Kuemper is a perfect target for this team, but I don't see the Yotes taking on any significant salary in a deal like that. I think Backlund stays and we likely have to send picks/prospects.
3. I think Hall gets closer to 8, but I'm on board with this.
4. Not an awful Gaudreau proposal, but I don't think Hall signs here if you're trading away Johnny. I think Hall wants to go 'all in' and it's hard to convince him of that when you're trading away your best offensive player. I know that's a decent return, but it's still a hard sell.
5. Debrusk and Mangiapane are likely getting bigger contracts than that.
6. Soucy just broke into the NHL as a late bloomer and has a good thing going on in Minnesota. I don't think it's very likely he leaves that to come eat popcorn in Calgary.
Overall a fun off season though and I wouldn't be too upset at all if this happened, but I don't see it.
Wouldnt mind the Flames trying to sign Galchenyuk. Then move lindholm to center and make a big package with monahan plus a 1st and something for soon to be rfa Laine
Is this you idea, or ‘relative of a Flames owner’?
You bet. Laine is 22 and a lethal scorer. Guy will be a consistent 50 goal scorer. Look at monahan progression to his overall game. A few years ago he was more 1 dimensional as well. He has added to his 200 ft game and faceoff ability.
I am not a huge fan of Laine and think that is a really bad target for the Flames. Building a team around 2 wingers (Tkachuk, Laine) just doesn’t seem like the right path.
Laine seems to me to be far from a winner or a leader. That could be tied to maturity and can change but if the Flames are sending Monahan and a 1st our the door a center needs to be coming back
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I hope we re-sign Brodie, but Barrie makes sense if we can't.
Especially as Barrie was coached by Huska for 4 years in Kelowna.
I think I'd sooner see Barrie signed than Brodie retained. I like bringing in Barrie's RHD and think it will help the team break out of the zone a bit quicker. Both will cost in that 5-6M range, with Brodie likely being closer to 5M and Barrie closer to 6M.
That said, I'd sooner let Brodie and Barrie pass us by and make an $8.5-$10M offer to Alex Pietrangelo.
I'm thinking if Brodie could be re-signed, he'd already be re-signed.
All signs point to him wanting to test the UFA market and him likely being gone.
Also, wasn't it reported that after the failed TO trade Brodie put them on his no trade list? If so, it doesn't seem likely that you could trade his rights to them. I thought it was speculated that he is hoping for a better climate due to his wife's MS. I expect to see him sign a deal down south somewhere this off season. LA perhaps?
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I'm thinking if Brodie could be re-signed, he'd already be re-signed.
All signs point to him wanting to test the UFA market and him likely being gone.
Also, wasn't it reported that after the failed TO trade Brodie put them on his no trade list? If so, it doesn't seem likely that you could trade his rights to them. I thought it was speculated that he is hoping for a better climate due to his wife's MS. I expect to see him sign a deal down south somewhere this off season. LA perhaps?
On-point note.
MS is still wildly not understood, but there is some data that shows MS may have a higher occurrence rate and severity the further you are from the equator/higher altitude of your environment. I could also just see them wanting to be closer to family.
You bet. Laine is 22 and a lethal scorer. Guy will be a consistent 50 goal scorer. Look at monahan progression to his overall game. A few years ago he was more 1 dimensional as well. He has added to his 200 ft game and faceoff ability.
A consistent 50 goal scorer? What?
The only guy close to what anyone would call a "consistent 50 goal scorer" is Ovechkin, and Laine ain't Ovi. He has to at least hit 50 before anyone argues he's going to do so consistently.
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