2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Not sure where to post this, so put it here. Wondering what people think about Flames overall Cap situation. When you look at our top 6 forwards, seems to be some good contract value there. Perhaps Backlund is a bit overpaid?? Maybe Ryan is now a bit of an overpay, especially if he is 4th line.
Other than the obvious contract of Lucic our forward group cap hits don’t look that bad.

Defence looks decent as well, maybe now Gio is a bit high, but it wasn’t that long ago some were calling that a value contract.

Not overpaying on goalies.

How are we in cap jail compared to say Toronto?

I think most of the team is on fair contracts. The only real bargain contract right now is Lindholm. The team needs more players on ELC contracts. They will have Dube, and Valimaki who will hopefully outplay their contracts for next season. The problem is not that Lucic is overpaid, but how much he is overpaid(by roughly $3M in my estimate). The team also still has the Brouwer($1.5M x 2years), and Stone($1.167M) buyouts.

I believe the Flames could use their capspace to bring everyone(excluding rentals) back from this season. The problem is that the Flames are trying to improve and want to upgrade their roster. You currently have almost $17M, with a roster size of 14. You need 8-9 players including a starting goalie($3-6M), a top 4 defenseman($4-5M), and sign Mangiapane($2.5-4.5M). All of a sudden you don't have that much capspace left and you have to start compromising. If you want to upgrade at forward then perhaps just get a backup for Rittich, or try to play Valimaki in a top 4 role.

The bottom line is that the Flames have enough cap space to keep things in status quo. They don't seem to have enough cap space to improve without going the trade route.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

How are we in cap jail compared to say Toronto?

Compared to Toronto we are in the opposite of cap jail, the Leafs cap situation is one of the worst in the NHL. They have no depth and no defense. They even had to trade away more of their depth just to add cap space in order to try and sign defensemen.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Compared to Toronto we are in the opposite of cap jail, the Leafs cap situation is one of the worst in the NHL. They have no depth and no defense. They even had to trade away more of their depth just to add cap space in order to try and sign defensemen.

Yeah, their current capfriendly number looks OK only because they have 4 D on close to league min deals. Either those guys can play above value or their D will be terribad.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Husky

Im pumped for change on Flames D and being not "stacked on paper". Last 10 years flames have a top D squad but always underperformed. Time to open space and let the younger guys take over.

Don’t pay attention to the OEL rumors if you want to stay pumped.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yeah, their current capfriendly number looks OK only because they have 4 D on close to league min deals. Either those guys can play above value or their D will be terribad.

The Leafs are more or less boned IMO. They have less than 7 million in space and need a top 4 defensemen. I actually think that they need two because Holl is not ideally a top 4 defenseman. They also need at least 1 top 6 forward.

The best thing the Leafs could do, is trade Marner to a team like Minnesota for players that would change their playoff identity. Maybe a package around Dumba and Zuccarello.

[flamesforcup]

I think OEL could bounce back. I would be ecstatic to get him.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by flamesforcup

I think OEL could bounce back. I would be ecstatic to get him.

I like OEL, but not at that AAV and there is too much term remaining for the Coyotes to eat any salary.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

The Leafs are more or less boned IMO. They have less than 7 million in space and need a top 4 defensemen. I actually think that they need two because Holl is not ideally a top 4 defenseman. They also need at least 1 top 6 forward.

The best thing the Leafs could do, is trade Marner to a team like Minnesota for players that would change their playoff identity. Maybe a package around Dumba and Zuccarello.

There might just be a Gio trade that would work. Not for Marner obviously.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

There might just be a Gio trade that would work. Not for Marner obviously.

I don't think there is a Gio trade there, the Leafs need RD, they are more likely to give up a pick for the negotiating rights to Brodie or Hamonic.

[Heavy Jack]

What about Gio + rights to Brodie?? What could that entertain? Nylander?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

What about Gio + rights to Brodie?? What could that entertain? Nylander?

Nothing because they couldn’t afford both

[Husky]

Wouldnt mind the Flames trying to sign Galchenyuk. Then move lindholm to center and make a big package with monahan plus a 1st and something for soon to be rfa Laine

[Crown Royal]

This set of ideas is spun off from my post in the Gaudreau proposal thread. The suggestions are a combination of what I would like to see happen, and what I expect to see happen.

Chronological order

• Trade rights for TJ Brodie to Maple Leafs for rights to Tyson Barrie
  • Sign Tyson Barrie, 5 years @ $5,000,000
• Trade Mikael Backlund and 2nd in 2020 to Arizona for Darcy Kuemper and the Rights to Taylor Hall
  • Sign Taylor Hall, 7 years @ 7,250,000
• Trade Johnny Gaudreau and Rights to Oliver Kylington to Boston for Jake DeBrusk, Ondrej Kase and a 2021 1st round pick.
  • Sign Jake DeBrusk, 3 years @ $2,750,000
• Trade rights to Mark Jankowski to Buffalo for a 5th in 2020
• Derek Grant and Carson Soucy, 1 year @ $1,000,000 each
• Re-sign Mangiapane, 2 years @ 2,250,000
• Re-sign Rieder, 1 year @ 800,000
• Re-sign Gawdin, Kirkland, Lomberg, Parsons, Froese & Nielsen, 1 year @ $700,000 each

Hall - Monahan - Tkachuk
DeBrusk - Lindholm - Mangiapane
Dube - Bennett - Kase
Lucic - Ryan - Grant

Giordano - Barrie
Hanifin - Andersson
Valimaki - Mackey

Kuemper - Rittich

Bench - Soucy (D), Reider (F)

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Husky

Wouldnt mind the Flames trying to sign Galchenyuk. Then move lindholm to center and make a big package with monahan plus a 1st and something for soon to be rfa Laine

Yuck. I wouldn't trade Monahan for Laine straight up

[Sandman]

Valimaki passes to Mackey. Mackey back to Valimaki.

[Husky]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Yuck. I wouldn't trade Monahan for Laine straight up

Good thing you arent the flames GM

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Chronological order[list][*]Trade rights for TJ Brodie to Maple Leafs for rights to Tyson Barrie

• Sign Tyson Barrie, 5 years @ $5,000,000

Why don't we just sign Brodie, who is better than Barrie, to the same deal?

[Husky]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Why don't we just sign Brodie, who is better than Barrie, to the same deal?

Barrie RH shot plus actually has a decent slapshot

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Husky

Barrie RH shot plus actually has a decent slapshot

Brodie is so important to the Flames that I honestly don't understand the idea of trying to compete without re-signing him. Barrie doesn't provide half of what Brodie does for this team.

[Sandman]

Barrie is not good defensively, but Brodie is. If it's not true that Brodie wants to play in the East, we should at least try to sign him.