2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I get a little worried about the whole Treliving, Maloney, OEL thing. Familiarity IMO should never trump track record or current state of play. When Treliving, Maloney, and OEL were in the same building in Arizona the results on the ice were poor so I was never fond of Maloney joining the organization nor would I be fond of the team acquiring a declining defenseman on a bad contract just because Treliving and Maloney think he's a good guy and they liked him in Phoenix when he was in his prime. I just hate when managers look back to the past when dealing with the present. Move on and base your evaluations on the present not the past.

I doubt it would be because they think he’s a good guy. That said, there’s been examples both ways. Sutter got Kipper based on his experience with him - obviously a good one. Burke (IMO) influenced the Hiller acquisition - that one actually worked pretty well from the start but also obviously didn’t end as well.

[Roof-Daddy]

So I didn't think Markstrom would make it to free agency, that's interesting for sure.

I wonder if a 5 x $5,000,000 gets that done?

Also in regards to Virtanen, certainly throws up red flags that a guy who scored 18 goals and 36 points in 69 games while playing just 13 minutes per game this year might not get a $1.4 million QO from his team. From the outside it sure seems like he'd be a good option for a team looking for right handed forwards if he can be had for nothing but a contract no?

[BigErnSalute_16]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

These two posts are pure ad hominem attacks.



You can find the guidelines for the forum you moderate here: https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=140514

Maybe if all you have to offer is personal attacks against me you should add me to your ignore list.

Oh F*** off. When you are constantly being "attacked" for your terrible, moronic and unnecessarily negative takes, maybe take a look in the mirror to figure out why so many people can't stand you instead of acting like a victim and pulling up the rules to show how much you are being bullied.

Reading your posts is honestly such drag on this entire forum. You seem like you would be absolutely infuriating to spend any time with at all.

[1qqaaz]

5x5 is way too much for a goalie on the wrong side of 30 with a career 91.1%.

Rumours are that Lehner is signing a 5x5. Markstrom getting the same deal would be comical.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

5x5 is way too much for a goalie on the wrong side of 30 with a career 91.1%.

Rumours are that Lehner is signing a 5x5. Markstrom getting the same deal would be comical.

Even better then.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

5x5 is way too much for a goalie on the wrong side of 30 with a career 91.1%.

Rumours are that Lehner is signing a 5x5. Markstrom getting the same deal would be comical.

I think he is great at 4x4.25. Gives you the availability to have a good 1b signed at 2mil.

[PepsiFree]

I'm still not entirely sure why we would want Markstrom when we could just re-sign Talbot. He might be a bit older, but outside of his one terrible season, he's statistically been similar or better than Markstrom every year.

Markstrom might give you more runway for that age, but I don't think he's a great solution in net. Would rather swing for the fences on a younger guy than pay money and term for a middling starter over 30 (or just pay less money and term to the middling starter over 30 we already have).

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

5x5 is way too much for a goalie on the wrong side of 30 with a career 91.1%.

Rumours are that Lehner is signing a 5x5. Markstrom getting the same deal would be comical.

Career .911 when playing for terrible teams is nothing to sneeze at.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I'm still not entirely sure why we would want Markstrom when we could just re-sign Talbot. He might be a bit older, but outside of his one terrible season, he's statistically been similar or better than Markstrom every year.

Markstrom might give you more runway for that age, but I don't think he's a great solution in net. Would rather swing for the fences on a younger guy than pay money and term for a middling starter over 30 (or just pay less money and term to the middling starter over 30 we already have).

Because Talbot isn't good enough.

He had his opportunity to establish himself - and he fell apart.

I get that you don't want to tie up money in an older goalie, and I'm definitely not super sold on it either - but that doesn't mean you have to, or should go back to Talbot.

I'll be disappointed if we come back with Rittich and Talbot as the tandem. That tandem is more likely to be worse than it is to be better (age). Even if they come back and perform the same, we still have bottom-half goaltending and that's not good enough.

[442scotty]

We really need like and dislike buttons on this forum. People attacking each other over posts has been going on forever and seems to be getting worse. Like momma used to say, if you’ve got nothing nice to say, zip it?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I'll be disappointed if we come back with Rittich and Talbot as the tandem. That tandem is more likely to be worse than it is to be better (age). Even if they come back and perform the same, we still have bottom-half goaltending and that's not good enough.

Rittich is 27-years-old, and you think he is likely to be worse? I will be very surprised if he is not better next season, just by virtue of age and growing experience.

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[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Because Talbot isn't good enough.

He had his opportunity to establish himself - and he fell apart.

I get that you don't want to tie up money in an older goalie, and I'm definitely not super sold on it either - but that doesn't mean you have to, or should go back to Talbot.

I'll be disappointed if we come back with Rittich and Talbot as the tandem. That tandem is more likely to be worse than it is to be better (age). Even if they come back and perform the same, we still have bottom-half goaltending and that's not good enough.

I think it is super unlikely that the flames return with the same goalies.

The flames have a decision to make on rittich in regards to whether he's a long term guy.

If the Flames sign a goalie in fre agency my assumption is the goalies will be rittich and ufa signing.

If the flames trade for a goalie I think it will be Talbot + acquisition as rittich would likely be heading out the door as part of the trade.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Rittich is 27-years-old, and you think he is likely to be worse? I will be very surprised if he is not better next season, just by virtue of age and growing experience.

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Who knows with these guys? Maybe Rittich is so mentally weak that he gets completely derailed by the denouement of the season. I would think Rittich and Talbot will be "fine" next season. Whether "fine" is good enough...

[Strange Brew]

So the Buffalo radio station threw out a speculated trade and they brought up Jankowski? Nice. If anybody out there is ready to give you anything of value for 77, I'm saying yes before they finish their sentence.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Even if they come back and perform the same, we still have bottom-half goaltending and that's not good enough.

As long as we don't have 2017 Playoffs Elliott or 2015-16 Hiller, bottom half goaltending is good enough especially given cap considerations. Goaltending is pretty random. This is a sport where ECHL goalies can end up backstopping NHL teams to championships. Whereas Henrik Lundqvist probably has to retire without one.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Rittich is 27-years-old, and you think he is likely to be worse? I will be very surprised if he is not better next season, just by virtue of age and growing experience.

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I am quite concerned that Rittich is going to have a hard time bouncing back from how his season ended.

And I think the Flames are ready to move on. For two seasons in a row he was the starter during the regular season and supplanted come playoff time.

[Bingo]

I just hope the Flames have good analytics / eye test with enough reps on these goaltenders.

I hate to see trade or UFA targets based on success in another organization when the style of play here will be different and you may not get the guy you went after.

The Don Edwards syndrome.

The stat GSAA is supposed to levelize that, but like any stat is it honed enough to do that? When I look at the last three years combined, and put a line in the sand at 1250 minutes I get 77 goaltenders.

Sort that by gsaa/60 and you get too many occurrences of the same teams at the top with multiple goaltenders.

Why does Kuemper and Raanta both have the exact same gsaa60 for example? That's worrisome to me despite the stat, as I said, supposedly accounting for team play.

Arizaon, Boston, Dallas, Colorado all have two goaltenders in the top 15

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

So the Buffalo radio station threw out a speculated trade and they brought up Jankowski? Nice. If anybody out there is ready to give you anything of value for 77, I'm saying yes before they finish their sentence.

Likely goes to show that they have no idea what they're talking about.

If we get Reinhart and Risto back for Johnny I'll be bummed, and I'm starting to warm on Risto - but Reinhart is a leech who they stapled to Eichel's wing in order to boost production.

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Rittich is 27-years-old, and you think he is likely to be worse? I will be very surprised if he is not better next season, just by virtue of age and growing experience.

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Rittich is 28 - and I think if he was going to take a step forward, it would have been this past year. His save % above expected was -0.313% in 19/20 when it was 0.251% the year before. He dropped from a .911 (career best) to a .907. I think Rittich is what he is, which is an average 1B goalie that needs to be paired with someone notably better than him. Kuemper at 28 did jump up to a .925 and save % above expected of 0.257% in his 28 year old season, but he had years where he had posted a .915, .916, .915, and a .932 before kind of stabilizing in Arizona for the past 2 seasons. I just don't see Rittich taking a meaningful step forward from here on.

[Stanley]

Let's do a full on Arizona coup and get Hall, Kuemper and OEL.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Because Talbot isn't good enough.

He had his opportunity to establish himself - and he fell apart.

I get that you don't want to tie up money in an older goalie, and I'm definitely not super sold on it either - but that doesn't mean you have to, or should go back to Talbot.

I'll be disappointed if we come back with Rittich and Talbot as the tandem. That tandem is more likely to be worse than it is to be better (age). Even if they come back and perform the same, we still have bottom-half goaltending and that's not good enough.

I agree, I'm just saying paying money and term to Markstrom feels about as prosperous to us as re-signing Talbot i.e. not the solution and not something I'm remotely excited to see.

I'd rather see what you can get in a younger guy like Merz, Georgiev, or even Murray and run them with Rittich. See what happens. Is it a recipe for success or a disaster? Who can be sure. Are they even available for a reasonable price? Again, who can be sure?

I know people are sour on Murray but I don't think his issues aren't fixable. Whatever is happening, he's still put up some phenomenal games and stretches over the last couple of seasons, there's still that player that can be a starter there.

If Lehner walks to UFA, I think he's probably the only guy you want. If he doesn't, avoid it. If you need to sign someone who is UFA and don't want to sign Talbot, I can see Holtby being cheap. Has he been any good the last couple of seasons? No, but there is still high upside there. Looking at other older guys via trade, maybe Keumper makes sense? But again, eh.

I just don't see Markstrom as a high upside guy. I think we've seen him at his best, and it wasn't even that great. I guess I have more confidence that guys who have achieved something great can do it again vs. guys who have their career-best season of .918 after 30 and are looking for a 4-5 year deal out of it.