You'd love to trade Mangiapane for Domi? I think I'd change the D in Domi to a V and add a T to the end.
On an individual basis I think Domi has more value due to being a center. But the Flames can add all the 2nd and 3rd line centers they want...it won't move the needle if they can't get a better top line pivot than Monahan. Less a criticism of Monny, but the team is at it's ceiling with him in that role. Good enough to be the 9th to 18th best team the league, which will result in a team that's watching the playoffs after the first round from the sidelines.
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They're not though. They don't happen a lot but they do happen. Plenty of examples of good players taking less than market value to play for a team that they really want to play for. Stamkos is one noteworthy example, he could've got way more than he did. Same with Tavares for another big one.
Tavares wasn't a hometown discount at all. He's being paid 1.5mil per year less than McDavid and he sucks considerably more than that gap in dollar figures. Sure, he could have maybe made 500,000 more elsewhere but Toronto isn't getting his services at any discount.
That brings back memories of Curtis Lazar. I will take a pass on giving up a second or useful asset for a guy who had 1 goal and likely would end up exposed in the expansion draft. If Kylington and another farm player can get it done okay...but I would keep any picks in the first 4 rounds
I didn't suggest trading a 2nd, I suggested Ryan and Kylington in an effort to also clear cap space.
Although, Josh Anderson scored 17, 19, and 27 goals prior to this injury riddled season where he only played 26 games. To compare him to Lazar seems disingenuous as Lazar has 20 career goals to Anderson's 65 in similar games played.
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Tavares wasn't a hometown discount at all. He's being paid 1.5mil per year less than McDavid and he sucks considerably more than that gap in dollar figures. Sure, he could have maybe made 500,000 more elsewhere but Toronto isn't getting his services at any discount.
It was rumoured that other teams were offering as high as $13M for Tavares and he chose Toronto anyways.
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It was rumoured that other teams were offering as high as $13M for Tavares and he chose Toronto anyways.
Yeah, but that may have been as much about him still wanting to be on a team that had other high end players and still be able to keep those players for more than one season.
Guys on Tampa don't take home town discounts because they're from Florida, but I think the Lightning pay different rates for players than the Sabres do because the state has no income tax, and they have been a pretty good team for a number of seasons now. Pittsburgh typically got players for good value because they have Crosby and Malkin already on the team for good value.
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Shifting gears entirely, but how about some euro signings?
a few that pick my interest are:
Julius Nattinen- 23 year old 6'3 centre drafted by the ducks originally. 3rd highest scorer in Liiga last year. Seems to have really developed a goal scoring touch.
Eemeli Suomi- 24 year old forward who saw a dramatic jump in production this year, leading the next highest skater on his team by double digits in points and placing second in Liiga in scoring. A little short but stocky.
Kirill Semyonov- 25 year old centre playing for good ol' bob hartley in the KHL. Highest point scorer for Avangard last year, on a notable upwards trajectory and decent international showings.
Did the Ducks cut Nattinen loose? There was a lot of talk about him before he got drafted, he could just be fulfilling his potential. Interesting.
I didn't suggest trading a 2nd, I suggested Ryan and Kylington in an effort to also clear cap space.
Although, Josh Anderson scored 17, 19, and 27 goals prior to this injury riddled season where he only played 26 games. To compare him to Lazar seems disingenuous as Lazar has 20 career goals to Anderson's 65 in similar games played.
Fair enough. Anderson did look good last year...but is he going to bounce back...or is he another Jeff Freisen?
Than again I'd be inclined to keep Ryan and see if you can' get a 2nd or 3rd at the trade deadline for him next year since he is the type of versatile depth guy that contending teams will look at if they want to make a run.
I'm a bit jaded in that the Flames have not really had any luck taking "flyers" on this sort of player since like the lockout. But than again maybe they have not been after the right player.
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It was rumoured that other teams were offering as high as $13M for Tavares and he chose Toronto anyways.
Meh, if that's true then they all deserve him. Under a ppg player with 1/3 of his points on the PP isnt worth 11 mil, if that's a hometown discount I'd rather pay full price for someone better.
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Wait - you proposed a trade for Johnny with Domi as the centerpiece, but you wouldn't do Domi for Mangiapane?
I think my deal was Johnny for the Habs' 1st, Domi, and something else, no? (And I will admit, that was a poorly-conceived, back of the napkin proposal that was a result of me trying to trade Johnny for someone instead of me trying to trade for Domi.)
Either way I view Johnny as a two-year rental. Mangiapane has way more team control. His contract status boosts his value considerably.
Also, it's just hard to overlook how good Mangiapane's analytics are. Domi's are very middling.
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I think that aquiring Domi wouldn't net us a C better than Mony, but it would give us a really good 1-2 punch down the middle similar to what St.Louis has with Schenn and O'Rielly (maybe not quite as good). It would enable us to push Backlund down to 3C as well. Domi may be smaller, but with the way he plays he might as well be 6'2"-he's uncommonly tough and strong, and he can do something that Mony can't: skate with the fastest guys. We're not going to get a #1C through trade this offseason, it's just not going to happen-you have to draft those guys.
I think my deal was Johnny for the Habs' 1st, Domi, and something else, no? (And I will admit, that was a poorly-conceived, back of the napkin proposal that was a result of me trying to trade Johnny for someone instead of me trying to trade for Domi.)
Either way I view Johnny as a two-year rental. Mangiapane has way more team control. His contract status boosts his value considerably.
Also, it's just hard to overlook how good Mangiapane's analytics are. Domi's are very middling.
Domi's are pretty strong (although a different tier).
...yeah, I'm worried about what Mangiapane's contract is going to be. Add those into his even strength goal totals and yikes - any idea of having him locked in for anything sub-$4M is unlikely, but yeah I don't trade Mang for Domi straight across after looking at them deeper.
I just ran J.T Miller's numbers for 2018/2019 and I think he's a pretty good indicator for what Mang will cost.
Miller had 1 RFA year left when the Canucks acquired him - and they signed him to a four year deal worth $5.25M, so 3 UFA years bought. His UFA years were probably valued at $5.5M per year? Maybe $5.75M? Mang has 3 RFA years remaining.
That was a good bit of scouting by the Canucks.
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I don't think so. I think he's emerging in the same way Miller did. Not sure he'll pop off for 72 points - but I'd be genuinely surprised to see him be below 50 points next year.
I think we're underrating Mang pretty significantly (myself included). When you add it all up - he's building himself into something special.
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Meh, if that's true then they all deserve him. Under a ppg player with 1/3 of his points on the PP isnt worth 11 mil, if that's a hometown discount I'd rather pay full price for someone better.
Yeah
As far as I am concerned, Tavares had 2 destinations. The Isles, where he was established, and the Leafs, where he wanted to play since he wore the jammies.
And the dumbass Leafs GM could not leverage jammies to get a team / success friendly deal
