2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Monahan + Ryan + Jankowski rights + 2nd

For

Domi + Danault + 16th

3 centres out two Centers in plus another mid 1st. Danault would be a really good add at Center, would instantly become our best face off guy and plays a complete 200 ft game; I think Gaudreau would benefit greatly playing with a center like this.

Gaudreau - Danault - Lindholm
Hall - Domi - Tkachuk
Bennett - Backlund - Mangiapane
Lucic - Dube - Phillips

I am on board the trading Monahan train, but this trade is just awful for the Flames. Trading Monahan for two middle 6 players, and two players who are 3rd line players on a good team, doesn't help this team now or in the future.

I like Domi and Danault but they are support players.

Domi isn't a center, no matter how much he wants to be.

Jankowski's rights have no value, he is going to be a UFA in the very near future.

[Heavy Jack]

Domi is a season removed from near 30 goals and 70+ points and there is little doubt he wouldn’t put up comparable numbers to that playing with Tkachuk and Hall. Danault is severely underrated; is he Monahan?? No but he most certainly is as good as Backlund and at a younger age, his defensive responsibilities can’t be under valued nor can his dominance in the faceoff circle.

I think either way you shake it the deals you see for either of Gaudreau or Monahan aren’t going to be what we all would hope or think but it’s not like Domi or Danault have no business being in the top 6 and with both of them playing between the best wingers they would have in their careers to date in that mock line-up I think you could see both take steps offensively; especially with Backlund line still playing the shut-down role.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by New Era

2. Put Treliving on notice and on a short leash. "The process" has to happen a lot quicker and more effectively.

This is truly the worst thing you can do to a manager.

Telling them to hurry up the process, get results quick, or they're out of a job, is a great way to get shortsighted trades. If ownership is at this point with Treliving, just fire him.

If you felt this way about your GM, I'm not sure why you would trust him to make moves for your franchise.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

This is truly the worst thing you can do to a manager.

Telling them to hurry up the process, get results quick, or they're out of a job, is a great way to get shortsighted trades. If ownership is at this point with Treliving, just fire him.

If you felt this way about your GM, I'm not sure why you would trust him to make moves for your franchise.

I am kind of on the fire Treliving train.

But I can't deny that you're right.

[Flash Walken]

Can someone make my custom user title 'Put Treliving On Notice'?

[Heavy Jack]

I agree, they just extended Treliving too so to turn around and say hurry it up could only prove to cause a needless distraction for Brad. I think we’ve committed to this era/GM, we give him this year and maybe next and see where everything shakes out with this core. He’s done some poor assets management of our draft picks but the picks we have kept have gone towards some pretty strong drafting. He’s also made some great hockey deals too but his performance in finding a coach and goalie have been questionable at best so it really needs to be his biggest focus this off-season.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by New Era

Good god the Monahan hate around he is unbearable and just so demonstrably false. He's the best center the Flames have had since Joe Nieuwendyk wore the Flaming C and people are trying to run him out of town for a prospect that "might" develop into the same player that Monahan currently is. Monahan's two way play is grossly under rated. He's the Flames best faceoff man and is that finisher in the middle we've long wanted. Oh, but he's not Connor McHobo or Nathan Mc####face, so we have to run him out of town. Get real. Even in his worst year he was still better than any Flames center. But that would be so Calgary. Run a core player out of town because they have a bad shortened season when nothing went right for the team, and throw all your eggs in the baskets of players who did worse or didn't show up at all during the season, but had a great mini-tournament. SMH

I don't hate Monahan but this line of thinking is exactly why the organization is where they are.

Best C in 25 years for a franchise who has bombed over 25 years can't be good enough anymore.

Its time to look at what better organizations have and ask how can we get that. The bar needs to be raised from accepting the best mediocre we can get.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Monahan is a better C than either of those guys. Fight me.

Not going to fight at all; I totally agree but again I don’t think the return on either of Gaudreau or Monahan is going to net us the best player in the deal which is a tough pill to swallow no doubt.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I don't hate Monahan but this line of thinking is exactly why the organization is where they are.

Best C in 25 years for a franchise who has bombed over 25 years can't be good enough anymore.

Its time to look at what better organizations have and ask how can we get that. The bar needs to be raised from accepting the best mediocre we can get.

Yeah at this point comparing Monahan to previous Flame centers is meaningless.

Pretty obvious the club needs to change things up and he’s certainly a prime candidate.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Domi is a season removed from near 30 goals and 70+ points and there is little doubt he wouldn’t put up comparable numbers to that playing with Tkachuk and Hall. Danault is severely underrated; is he Monahan?? No but he most certainly is as good as Backlund and at a younger age, his defensive responsibilities can’t be under valued nor can his dominance in the faceoff circle.

I think either way you shake it the deals you see for either of Gaudreau or Monahan aren’t going to be what we all would hope or think but it’s not like Domi or Danault have no business being in the top 6 and with both of them playing between the best wingers they would have in their careers to date in that mock line-up I think you could see both take steps offensively; especially with Backlund line still playing the shut-down role.

Domi has only broke 50 points twice in his career, he did have a good year, but he isn't a 70 point player on regular basis. He also needs a new contract, he is probably looking to get paid like a 70 point player. Anything over $4.5m AAV is too much for Domi, but he probably looking for something in the $5.5m-$6.5m range.

Danault is a good player, but he is best suited as a 3rd line center. He also only has one year remaining before he becomes a UFA.

[Nelson]

Do people think we could get Frost, Patrick and Phillipe Myers for Gaudreau? I read Pronman's evaluation of Frost and Patrick, and I like the fact that both play centre. We might be able to get Patrick where we normally couldn't because of his migraine issues. Myers would help on the right side of the defence.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Do people think we could get Frost, Patrick and Phillipe Myers for Gaudreau? I read Pronman's evaluation of Frost and Patrick, and I like the fact that both play centre. We might be able to get Patrick where we normally couldn't because of his migraine issues. Myers would help on the right side of the defence.

Not Myers but yeah, I can see getting the two forwards. The Flyers have a solid mix of forwards to pluck in a johnny trade. I really really want Nolan Patrick. I think he is another answer to the puzzle just like Lindholm was.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Not Myers but yeah, I can see getting the two forwards. The Flyers have a solid mix of forwards to pluck in a johnny trade. I really really want Nolan Patrick. I think he is another answer to the puzzle just like Lindholm was.

Patrick and Frost doesn't feel like enough for a player of Gaudreau's calibre. I feel like they'd need to add a draft pick or two depending on how high the picks were.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Patrick and Frost doesn't feel like enough for a player of Gaudreau's calibre. I feel like they'd need to add a draft pick or two depending on how high the picks were.

The its not enough sentiment reminds me of the Hamilton trade and the ensuing meltdown of adding fox and Ferland.

If there is going to be a trade I think there's going to be a similar sentiment regardless. Thing is though, we don't know what's too much and too little until we'll after.

[Niemo]

Laine + 10th Overall + Jets 2nd 2020
for
Gaudreau + Monahan


Derek Ryan

for
Florida 3rd Rounder 2020



Sign Taylor Hall

Sign Markstrom or Holtby





Tkachuk - Lindholm - Laine
Hall - Backlund - Mangiapane
Lucic - Bennett - Dube
Rieder - Gawdin - (Graduating Prospect)


Giordano - Andersson
Hanifin - Valimaki???

Kylington - Mackay


Markstrom
Rittich

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by New Era

Good god the Monahan hate around he is unbearable and just so demonstrably false. He's the best center the Flames have had since Joe Nieuwendyk wore the Flaming C and people are trying to run him out of town for a prospect that "might" develop into the same player that Monahan currently is. Monahan's two way play is grossly under rated. He's the Flames best faceoff man and is that finisher in the middle we've long wanted. Oh, but he's not Connor McHobo or Nathan Mc####face, so we have to run him out of town. Get real. Even in his worst year he was still better than any Flames center. But that would be so Calgary. Run a core player out of town because they have a bad shortened season when nothing went right for the team, and throw all your eggs in the baskets of players who did worse or didn't show up at all during the season, but had a great mini-tournament. SMH

I’m in the trade Monahan camp, but that doesn’t mean I hate him. He’s done good work here ever since he’s been drafted. But the biggest issue is that this organization wants to become a contender. So ask yourself, how is this organization going to go deep when Monahan has to go up against the Mackinnon’s, the O’Reilly’s and in the future, the McDavid’s, Draisaitl’s and Pettersson’s every round? I mean this post season he went up against Andrew Coop, Adam Lowry, Radek Faksa and he was substandard once again. This is not a good sign of success going forward IMO.

If you look at all the Stanley Cup winning teams since the lockout, there’s an obvious trend you’ll see which is an elite #1 center or centers. Staal, Getzlaf, Datsyuk & Zetterberg, Crosby & Malkin, Toews, Bergeron, Kopitar, Backstrom & Kuznetsov, O’Reilly. Lot of hardware between all these guys and HHOF credentials. In my opinion, until the Flames can find themselves a guy at this level, then this team isn’t going to achieve the ultimate goal.

So that’s why I look at upgrading the #1 slot. It’s nothing personal. I’ll actually give Monahan some credit in that he was more assertive this season. He did seem to engage more physically, although it did take a significant bite out of his offensive production. Going forward, I think Lindholm will work better as this team’s #1 center, so that’s what makes Monahan expendable in my opinion. Although I’m not even opposed to finding an upgrade over Lindholm as well.

[Icon]

Winnipeg is only dangling Laine to improve on defense I'd think.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Purely speculation based on the fact Eichel is getting tired of losing and he is their most valuable trade chip

If Eichel is available you offer the moon, would Monahan, Mangiapane and Valimaki get it done?

[Niemo]

Originally Posted by Icon

Winnipeg is only dangling Laine to improve on defense I'd think.

They need a Center behind Scheifele most, then D 2nd.


I feel like Monahan would be great for them. He would be great for us as well behind Lindholm, but then you would be wasting one of Backlund or Bennett. We owe it to Bennett to give him his own consistent line at C with Lucic and Dube. He's not asking much in terms of linemates, just consistent ones and an opportunity to succeed.


So it comes down to Backlund or Monahan....Monahan would return a lot more in a trade than Backlund.

[bax]

Hall has stated time and time again that winning is the most important thing in his free agent decision.

If your off season plan includes trading away 2 of our top 3 forwards and then signing Hall it probably isn’t realistic.