2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[RT14]

I want no part of OEL and his contract. Would rather sign our own contracts that we can all hate in a few years by signing Taylor Hall, keeping Johnny and Monny, and signing Lehner or Markstrom if they are options.

IMO, if we could move Johnny to second line so he’s not the main target of other teams he would be much more effective. Add in a top goalie that the boys feel confident in front of and I think this team is a lot closer being a contender than in need of a full rebuild.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

To play the Devil's advocate, the last time the Flames acquired a contract that everyone hated, they won that deal by a mile

If you're referencing Lucic for Neal. That trade and these OEL ideas are nothing alike. I'm okay exploring Gio. But finding 7 more years worth of cap space to fit OEL is too immense a challenge. And then somehow paying a premium on top.of gio?

Neal and Looch was a move born of garbage play from severely.overpaid assets. Oel is at least market value...or would have been if not for covid. The term is too awful.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Why Hanifin? That'd be the worst. We'd be paying a little less than double for such a marginal gain its ridiculous. And losing what? 7 years of age and mileage?

Sorry, but thats a big old DERP.

Because it balances out with the Lucic salary. Why would Arizona take on Lucic and Gio, it doesn't do much for them. I guess we value Hanifin differently. I haven't seen any improvement in his game since he came to Calgary. He is a decent #4 right now, but for $5M per year I want more out of him.



The only thing that works in his favor is his age. I realize that he is younger than Andersson. That said he doesn't look like he is ready to take a big step and improve on what he is.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by RT14

IMO, if we could move Johnny to second line so he’s not the main target of other teams he would be much more effective. Add in a top goalie that the boys feel confident in front of and I think this team is a lot closer being a contender than in need of a full rebuild.

Didn't the start play their 4th line against our top line? I am not sure that they were the main target for Dallas, and they still couldn't produce.

Cogliano - Faksa - Comeau aren't exactly world beaters. I think this is where the Flames really missed an opportunity to burn the Stars.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

What the hell is going on in this thread?

OEL is a disaster at $8.25M. If the Flames trade for him, I will be pissed. Livid.

But Gio PLUS our 1st? Are you kidding me? I would cancel my STs if they did that. Beyond ridiculous.

But wait! That's not stupid enough! Some of you want to trade Gaudreau for him?!? And throw in a pick!?

Please, for the love of God, tell me that this has all been tongue in cheek. Please.

These aren't even the worst IMO. People keep talking about Konecny, Ghostisberre and the like. These two as an example are not going to make the Flames better. Konecny is a lower level than Tkachuk and defensively Ghostisberre makes Kyllington look like Bobby Orr. If the Flames are trading with the Flyers it has to be Coutourier and Sanheim for Johnny and/or Kyllington.

Making change for the sake of making change is what got the Flames to where they are. If you want to make change get a coach who is demanding and teaches a system that all players have to play.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Because it balances out with the Lucic salary. Why would Arizona take on Lucic and Gio, it doesn't do much for them. I guess we value Hanifin differently. I haven't seen any improvement in his game since he came to Calgary. He is a decent #4 right now, but for $5M per year I want more out of him.



The only thing that works in his favor is his age. I realize that he is younger than Andersson. That said he doesn't look like he is ready to take a big step and improve on what he is.

If you look at their first 5 years in the league, Hanifin has been more consistent in production offensively and healthier overall. Lots of ups and downs for OEL due to injury, which is a concern with such a massive contract. I think you'll get a massive amount less mileage put of OEL at his cost. It's still silly even if you don't like Hanifin.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by dammage79

If you look at their first 5 years in the league, Hanifin has been more consistent in production offensively and healthier overall. Lots of ups and downs for OEL due to injury, which is a concern with such a massive contract. I think you'll get a massive amount less mileage put of OEL at his cost. It's still silly even if you don't like Hanifin.

I agree with you Hanifin is nothing if not consistent. He is a consistently average #4. I think OEL has carried his pairing for a while. He made guys like Stone look pretty good, before Stone was traded to Calgary. As for being healthier, over the last 3 seasons OEL missed a total of 5 games. Maybe there is more to it, but he seems to be doing fine.

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1. I don't think there's any smoke here with OEL to the Flames, nevermind any fire.
2. Only move that makes sense to me for the Flames is along the lines of Gio & a depth guy like Ryan to balance the cap hit for OEL. But I don't understand why the Yotes do that, and I don't think it's worth sweetening with a pick by the Flames. OEL is overpaid for what he is at his age. Would much rather allocate money elsewhere.

Any talk about a 1st from the Flames involved is bonkers. Nevermind the draft quality and options that should be available for the Flames at 19.

Even after all that said, OEL and Gio both have clauses which make it all unlikely to go down anyway.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well we can all thank Christ you are not BT.

IMO the first is fair value for Kuemper, who is a top 5 statistical goalie in the NHL over the last 2 seasons.

OEL for Gio is just gravy, younger player with potential to have an upswing in a new environment.

[Flash Walken]

I feel like if Friedman mentions a specific players name who is under contract as being a potential flames target, and the flames management group happens to have been the guys who drafted that player in the first place, this rumour should be treated as though it is very likely already out there being discussed.

Considering the other major flames rumour revolves around another coyotes player who the flames either plan on signing in free agency or trading for his rights (don't remember where that rumour came from), I'd say this rumour has serious legs to it.

I don't think Friedman is tossing a name out there, I think he's providing us with a glimpse into very real conversations currently underway.

Edit: Treliving also loves a blockbuster and his team has basically demanded a substantial change be made after two major playoff blowouts in a row.

The flames also need top 4 D, and perhaps a major minute muncher.

This trade rumour has all the hallmarks of something that's pretty realistic.

[ComixZone]

TheFourthPeriod had the rumour of the Flames acquiring Hall’s rights ^^

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

These aren't even the worst IMO. People keep talking about Konecny, Ghostisberre and the like. These two as an example are not going to make the Flames better. Konecny is a lower level than Tkachuk and defensively Ghostisberre makes Kyllington look like Bobby Orr. If the Flames are trading with the Flyers it has to be Coutourier and Sanheim for Johnny and/or Kyllington.

Making change for the sake of making change is what got the Flames to where they are. If you want to make change get a coach who is demanding and teaches a system that all players have to play.

Quick question. How many times have you watched Konecny play?

I have watched him play 20-25 games.

He is very skilled and fearless. RS who plays either wing.

Konecny led the Flyers in scoring this regular season, as a 23 year old with 5 years left on a 5.5 mil cap hit.

He had the same number of points (61) , in fewer games , as Flames leading scorer, Tkachuk.

Philly would probably not make the deal 1 for 1 for Gaudreau.

[dammage79]

I dont think Freidman is the holy grail of Flames rumors. I give that to LeBrun. He nailed the Hamilton/Lindholm trade two days before it went down at the draft.

Freidmans thoughts are more speculative but does give a glimpse into the Flames workings.

Non one had the Hamilton acquisition. And it was LeBrun IIRC that had the Flames on the Hamonic train for years.

So I will wait for Pierre LeBruns take on the Flames. His reporting is spot on.

[Monahammer]

OEL+ Kuemper (also surprisingly rumored to be on the block) + Hall's Rights for Giordano + Derek Ryan + Rittich + flames 1st.

Trade Johnny for a package including a first.

I personally think this is a very decent plan- again my choice would be rebuild at this point, but if BT and ownership still want to remain competitive I think this achieves that handily.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I dont think Freidman is the holy grail of Flames rumors. I give that to LeBrun. He nailed the Hamilton/Lindholm trade two days before it went down at the draft.

Freidmans thoughts are more speculative but does give a glimpse into the Flames workings.

Non one had the Hamilton acquisition. And it was LeBrun IIRC that had the Flames on the Hamonic train for years.

So I will wait for Pierre LeBruns take on the Flames. His reporting is spot on.

I agree with you to an extent. LeBrun is definitely who I look to first with the Flames. That being said, didnt Friedman throw out Lucic for Neal a few weeks before it happened?

Speaking of LeBrun, has he said anything about the Flames recently?

[Harry Lime]

I think that there is something to the Flyers and Couturier.

After he got injured, Laughton stepped in and played very well. I could also see them moving Giroux over to centre again, or being high on Frost. Patrick is still a wildcard.

They are one of the deepest teams at centre ice in the league, and might see it as an opportunity to trump the rest of the Eastern conference with a one-for-one hockey trade that doesn't really hurt them as much as people would think.

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The more I mull it over, Couturier 1for1 is not a bad move I suppose. Just wonder if we're in a window or not right now, or if a Johnny trade should be more prospects/picks focused

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by keenan87

I agree with you to an extent. LeBrun is definitely who I look to first with the Flames. That being said, didnt Friedman throw out Lucic for Neal a few weeks before it happened?

Speaking of LeBrun, has he said anything about the Flames recently?

Yeah but Tre got the idea from Friedman for a Lucic Neal swap :P

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Icon

The more I mull it over, Couturier 1for1 is not a bad move I suppose. Just wonder if we're in a window or not right now, or if a Johnny trade should be more prospects/picks focused

If we trade Johnny it should be for futures and a blue chip prospect or established young player. Just my opinion as I don’t think we’re in a window, I dont think we ever were tbh.

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Originally Posted by Zulu29

If we trade Johnny it should be for futures and a blue chip prospect or established young player. Just my opinion as I don’t think we’re in a window, I dont think we ever were tbh.

Yeah this is the view I'm fighting with. The other opinion is Couturier might still be here and good when we get into the window.