WCSF - Vegas Golden Knights (1) vs. Vancouver Canucks (5)

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Mackinnon was held higher regard than Tavares, and lower than McDavid.

I agree after that point was all on him, but saying that he could have easily been a Yakapov bust we didn't know about yet, come on.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

But remember, the Islanders made that offer in the Yakupov draft. If it had been accepted, they would have traded their entire draft and got... Ryan Murray.

You couldn't know at the time that Mackinnon was going to become this guy.

More or less for that quote sorry, but point stands kind of?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by MrMike

We all knew Mackinnon was going to be who he was going to be.

Nah. We thought he'd be a good first overall pick - as opposed to just so-so first overalls like Nugent-Hopkins or Ekblad. But even very good first overall picks have the potential to turn into very-good-player-but-not-superstar calibre guys. And it looked like Mackinnon would be one of those too; he had seasons of 38, 52 and 53 points before breaking out at 23. That's why he was on such a cheap contract.

To suggest that we knew when he was drafted that he'd get to a point of "borderline best player in the NHL" is 20 20 hindsight.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Nah. We thought he'd be a good first overall pick - as opposed to just so-so first overalls like Nugent-Hopkins or Ekblad. But even very good first overall picks have the potential to turn into very-good-player-but-not-superstar calibre guys. And it looked like Mackinnon would be one of those too; he had seasons of 38, 52 and 53 points before breaking out at 23. That's why he was on such a cheap contract.

To suggest that we knew when he was drafted that he'd get to a point of "borderline best player in the NHL" is 20 20 hindsight.

He looked like a Huberdeau level 1st overall.

Now he looks like the best player in the league.

[3rd liner]

F*** Vegas and their arrogance. Is Reaves yapping now? It makes me fairly nauseous to hope the Canucks win, but I truly despise the knights, only second to the oilers. If you put all of the Canucks players in a different uniform I would be ok with them. Bring on game 7. Whoever wins I will be laughing at the loser.
Two game 7’s tomorrow. Fun day.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Or not, as it turns out. All signs seem to point to management bringing back largely the same group for another ride on the merry-go-round.

What “all signs” are you referring to?

[3rd liner]

This has probably been covered already but why can’t VAN/VGK go on Saturday? Other teams get a day off. Was this due to the two day delay last week?

[Meers]

Originally Posted by 3rd liner

This has probably been covered already but why can’t VAN/VGK go on Saturday? Other teams get a day off. Was this due to the two day delay last week?

Yes. The Canucks' and the Knights' players led the boycott, so the League needs to punish them for their impudence. Otherwise, the players might start ... you know ... making other demands of the League's deserving billionaire owners.

[combustiblefuel]

Saturday would have been great. Playoff Game 7 , Canadian team,Hockey night in Canada,

Wow.. missed opportunity.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by 3rd liner

This has probably been covered already but why can’t VAN/VGK go on Saturday? Other teams get a day off. Was this due to the two day delay last week?

The first game on Saturday can't go earlier because NBC has the Kentucky derby

Although no reason why Canucks and vegas couldn't play later, but for some reason league wants the wcf to start on Sunday

The ecf can't because the winner of philly and the islanders has to travel to Edmonton

I guess they don't want an empty time slot sunday night, the last sunday before NFL

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Friedman stated that the Canucks asked if they could schedule game 7 saturday and just have a back to back for game 1 of the conference final for whoever gets there, but apparently the league said no. Really unfortunate. This shouldn't happen.

[CroFlames]

This isn't how the story was supposed to go.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Nah. We thought he'd be a good first overall pick - as opposed to just so-so first overalls like Nugent-Hopkins or Ekblad. But even very good first overall picks have the potential to turn into very-good-player-but-not-superstar calibre guys. And it looked like Mackinnon would be one of those too; he had seasons of 38, 52 and 53 points before breaking out at 23. That's why he was on such a cheap contract.

To suggest that we knew when he was drafted that he'd get to a point of "borderline best player in the NHL" is 20 20 hindsight.

I remember during their first few seasons, it looked like Monahan had decent (but still unlikely) shot at becoming the better player of the two, which seems like a fever dream in retrospect.

[Bingo]

Man I'd be frustrated if I was a Vegas fan.

Vancouver in this series in all situations is
40% in CF%
38% in xGF%
39% in HD splits

They are the 8th team of 8 in pretty much every stat.

[Toonage]

My advice to Vegas?

Run Demko.

[kukkudo]

So if the Canucks win tonight they are going to have way more playoff success than the Flames have had since 04

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Tre was in on Demko at the draft.

Every other list that was posted had Demko rated higher than McDonald, but the Flames scouts knew better.

Tre was out.

That said, during the regular season Demko wasn't anything special. Still better than McDonald.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

So if the Canucks win tonight they are going to have way more playoff success than the Flames have had since 04

The Flames have won one playoff round since 2004, after which they were immediately gentleman swept. The Canucks have been to a SCF in that time, to say nothing of the four other times they've made the 2nd round. I don't think tonight's game changes anything in that regard.

Interesting comments from post game yesterday... first, Hughes asked if he was improving as the series went along, said, "I don't want to disclose anything, but I'm feeling much better." I think you just disclosed something.

Second, Green asked if he has confidence that Demko can play the back to back after seeing so many shots, said, "I have confidence in whoever plays, whether it's Demko or Markstrom". I assume he's just messing with the media, but there it is.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Every other list that was posted had Demko rated higher than McDonald, but the Flames scouts knew better.

Tre was out.

That said, during the regular season Demko wasn't anything special. Still better than McDonald.

Tre had also been GM for about a month at that point.

IMO the 2014 draft is very much a Brian Burke draft.

All of the criteria that scouts and the leadership team would have been focusing on would have been criteria that were provided by Burke. All of the scouting and rankings were probably pretty close to being completed by the time Treliving was on board with the organization.

Also since he was hired from another organization there are sometimes rules around how much involvement is allowed in that first draft since you don't want him leaving and bringing knowledge the Coyotes staff would have from their scouting.

If you look at the picks made in that 2014 draft (emphasizing size and grit) and compare them to the picks made 2015 onwards that emphasize skill...you see a clearly different drafting philosophy.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Toonage

My advice to Vegas?

Run Demko.

Or learn to shoot?

Haven't tuned in since earlier in the series but I distinctly remember noticing how Vegas misses the net/botches their shots a lot even though they do everything else well.

That opens the door for a few opportunistic finishers in blue to decide games. So dumb but when you don't make your vast quantity of chances and zone time count you get burned.

I was thinking maybe it was an isolated event but it looks like it's carried over.