2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

If we were to acquire Murray, my opinion would be to trade Rittich and see if Talbot would come back.

Murray is probably going to need a minimum of $5 million AAV on a multi year contract, maybe even more AAV than that. Talbot will need $3 million AAV at a minimum and wants to be a starter.

1. That's too much cap increase on goaltending, something that wasn't a problem for the Flames really, with other more sever weaknesses needing upgrades

2. Neither goalie would want the other guy in the fold, and if you trade for Murray, Talbot likely doesn't come back.


I would also move Rittich and sign a cheaper back up if Murray was acquired.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

If we were to acquire Murray, my opinion would be to trade Rittich and see if Talbot would come back.

Not sure there is much of a market for Rittich.

Talbot would also cost a lot more cap wise.

If BT upgrades goaltending, Im pretty sure Talbot wont be back. He wants a chance to be the starter where ever he lands.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Not sure there is much of a market for Rittich.

Talbot would also cost a lot more cap wise.

If BT upgrades goaltending, Im pretty sure Talbot wont be back. He wants a chance to be the starter where ever he lands.

"a lot"

I don't think this is true, or at least it shouldn't be.

Talbot is Riemer/Mrazaek level.

2 years at 3.125-3.4M, or call it an even 3.5M is all I'd offer Talbot. Otherwise I'd walk from him. The free agent market has plenty of goalies on the market, and we shouldn't be over-paying for that tier of goalie.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

"a lot"

I don't think this is true, or at least it shouldn't be.

Talbot is Riemer/Mrazaek level.

2 years at 3.125-3.4M, or call it an even 3.5M is all I'd offer Talbot. Otherwise I'd walk from him. The free agent market has plenty of goalies on the market, and we shouldn't be over-paying for that tier of goalie.

I'd say 3-3.5 is a fair range for Talbot. Considering his age I'd want no more than 3.5 on a 1 year deal and no more than 3.25 on a 2 year deal. I don't like the idea of 3 year or more, but if we go to 3 years, I wouldn't want to pay more than 3m per

[JTech780]

IMO goaltending shouldn't be a priority for this team. They still need a number one center and a number one defenseman, to be Cup contenders. Those pieces should be the targets, mind you it would have to come via the draft, so we may as well trade Gaudreau and Monahan and get as high of a draft pick as we can.

The idea of trading Gaudreau and or Monahan and trying to get pieces in return to stay competitive next year seems like a recipe to stay in mediocrity.

I don't think we will with those players either, IMO it's time to go back to the drawing board and see if we can draft the right pieces this time.

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IF Talbot doesn't want to come back, then we're forced to explore options like Murray. As much as I love the guy, (Big Save Dave shirt to prove it), I don't think Rittich is the answer. Solid backup that could steal some starts, but don't think we can win with him as #1

[TOfan]

I’m not so sure Talbot’s going to get an increase in pay. There’s going to be a lot of goalies on the market this year and they’re not all going to have a chair when the music stops. Given Talbot’s age and recent track record, I wouldn’t be in a hurry to give him more than 2 years at 2.75. A number of goalies are going to get squeezed.

I do think Murray is a good longer term option for the Flames though.

[Pickle Juice]

The way I see it; is that Murray is a proven goalie and we should definitely be interested based on age. He has playoff experience no to mention a 2 time Stanley cup winner. That in it self is something this team lacks and should be in hot pursuit of especially at the goaltender position.

Everyone knows that he has had a couple of seasons where he has either not played to his potential or maybe he’s just not as good as everyone thought. If he was playing to the numbers we have seen in the past nobody would be having this conversation because he wouldn’t be available.

If I’m BT I’m definitely pitching an offer that makes sense because the trade has potential to be a massive steal due to the upside that has been demonstrated.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I don't think I want the Flames to move Pettersen until they can see what he can do in the AHL.

Pettersen doesn't have NHL speed IMO. I've seen him live twice and on the tube three other times, and each of those times he didn't impress me with his skating. He's a one-way offensive player and cheats like hell out of the zone which sometimes gives the impression of speed, but he really doesn't have that extra gear. He's also a perimeter player. If people think Gaudreau is a wallflower, they are going to get frustrated with Pettersen very quickly. He is very good at using space and making the dish, but in the NHL where players are on you so quickly and the lanes are clogged up, I don't think he finds remotely the same level of success. If someone is willing to give you a player that could contribute to the existing core, I'd be more than willing to give him up. Unless he develops an extra gear I don't see anything more than a good AHL player and likely a guy who is a star in one of the Euro leagues.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I’m not so sure Talbot’s going to get an increase in pay. There’s going to be a lot of goalies on the market this year and they’re not all going to have a chair when the music stops. Given Talbot’s age and recent track record, I wouldn’t be in a hurry to give him more than 2 years at 2.75. A number of goalies are going to get squeezed.

I do think Murray is a good longer term option for the Flames though.

I’m with you that there are a ton of options and there will be a squeeze. But I also think Talbot deserves a raise if he signs here but I don’t think he gets a multi year deal.

Realistically speaking, the only reason why Treliving would even give him a 2 year deal is if another team offered him a 2 year deal which I highly doubt as the expansion draft next year forces any team to say, “Talbot is my #1 of the future.” Not a chance with the likes of Lehner and Holtby out there. 1 year deal with a slight raise should honestly do it.


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[David Struch]

When is the last time the Flames had a Cup winning goaltender, Grant Fuhr?

[AC]

Turek was the Dallas backup in 1999.

Also Vernon's 2nd tour of duty here.

Giguere went on to win the Cup after leaving Calgary.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

I’m with you that there are a ton of options and there will be a squeeze. But I also think Talbot deserves a raise if he signs here but I don’t think he gets a multi year deal.

Realistically speaking, the only reason why Treliving would even give him a 2 year deal is if another team offered him a 2 year deal which I highly doubt as the expansion draft next year forces any team to say, “Talbot is my #1 of the future.” Not a chance with the likes of Lehner and Holtby out there. 1 year deal with a slight raise should honestly do it.


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How does a 2 year deal force a team to say Talbot is their goalie of the future? They could always expose him in the expansion draft if they have a more important future piece.

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I'm hoping Wolf pans out.... One of these drafted goalies has to be good eventually.... Right?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Icon

I'm hoping Wolf pans out.... One of these drafted goalies has to be good eventually.... Right?

Wolfs numbers despite his size say he should be an NHL player. Cant believe he has to do another year of Junior. He literally has nothing left to prove there.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Wolfs numbers despite his size say he should be an NHL player. Cant believe he has to do another year of Junior. He literally has nothing left to prove there.

Carter Hart also spent four full seasons with Everett.

The Flames should follow exactly what the Flyers did with Hart. We can’t develop goalies, so best to have him in Everett as long as possible.

That means one more full year in Everett, and then the next year is a split between AHL and NHL. Do not let another goalie’s development go to die in Stockton for longer than a few months. Hell, even forgo the 18 games Hart played at the AHL season (where he didn’t do very well, only a .902 save %).

Get a good veteran here at the NHL level, and then in 2021/2022 season start with Wolf as your backup.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Wolfs numbers despite his size say he should be an NHL player. Cant believe he has to do another year of Junior. He literally has nothing left to prove there.

This is literally never true when it is said about any prospect other than maybe a McDavid or a Crosby.

Wolf hasn't led his team beyond round 2 of the playoffs and in his one chance to do so, he posted a sub .890sv% in the second round, en route to a 4-1 series loss.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

How does a 2 year deal force a team to say Talbot is their goalie of the future? They could always expose him in the expansion draft if they have a more important future piece.

It’s true, Talbot definitely could be exposed unless he insists on a NMC which I hope Treliving would quash. But if was up to me, I still like the idea of a 1 year deal for Talbot and still believe that Tyler Parsons has a future here. So I’d protect him and re-sign one of Rittich or Talbot depending on who performs the best after the expansion draft.


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[dammage79]

After listening to Conroys interview I could see them moving Kylington for a similar RHS d man. In my estimation they need one more RHD to bring some balance. Also depends on Brodies status too, do they keep him? If he walks then they'll need 2.

Also, Sam Bennett isn't going anywhere and they're obviously going to make room at C for him. Seems pretty evident. So I think that'll be a question for their Coaching hunt. Seems like the management team is also pretty frustrated with how Bennett has been deployed over the last few years.

[Enoch Root]

I know Kylington hasn't turned the corner yet, but he still has a very high ceiling. I think people are being a little too flippant about tossing him into trade proposals as an extra body.

And as for the expansion draft, the Flames are likely going to be exposing at least 3 NHLers, so no telling which way Seattle would go anyway.