2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Do people really think there’s a big demand for a declining, soon to be 37 year old defenceman with a cap hit of $6.75 mil for two more seasons? At the very least, the Flames would have to take back a bad contract worth $ 5mil+.

He might be declining, but he's still a 2-3 defenseman at absolute worst and 6.75m for a 2-3 defensemen is not exactly expensive.

[Enoch Root]

The last 2 years of Gio's conrtract are going to be poor value - we knew that when he signed it, and that was part of the deal.

Moving Gio for OEL would mean turning $6.75M into $8.25M, and going from 2 years to 7 - at least 4, if not more of which would be as bad as Gio is probably going to be for the next 2.

That would be an absolutely horrific trade for the Flames, IMO.

[Vinny01]

I don’t think it will happen but I agree with those thinking that moving on from Gio is the shakeup the core could use.

I could see a fit with Toronto and something along the lines of the 15th pick, Kerfoot and a Dman like Liligren or Dermott.

[Dude Where's Makar?]

If the Flames traded Giordano this offseason, depending on the cap, i would like to see them pursue Joel Edmundson in free agency. Big, LHD, physical, plays big minutes, and would take some pressure off our young D core. I think he would be a perfect fit here.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The last 2 years of Gio's conrtract are going to be poor value - we knew that when he signed it, and that was part of the deal.

Moving Gio for OEL would mean turning $6.75M into $8.25M, and going from 2 years to 7 - at least 4, if not more of which would be as bad as Gio is probably going to be for the next 2.

That would be an absolutely horrific trade for the Flames, IMO.

Agreed, I was not suggesting trading him for OEL, we don't need a D man coming back and if you can trade him for prospects or picks even better.

[Classic_Sniper]

I may be in the minority here, but I still think Gio has plenty of value on this team. He’s the heart and soul of this team and his work ethic is second to none in this league and that’s what this team needs more of.

Gio may not be an elite #1 defenseman in the playoffs, but he’s still an excellent well rounded dman in the regular season and that has value. The Flames barely made the playoffs this season and most of this decade, so to have players to get you TO the playoffs is still very important. The last thing the Flames need is to load up on playoff only performers and miss the playoffs completely.

From what I’ve surmised, I think Gio just struggles with the physicality and pace. He still processes the game at an elite level, but because he’s undersized, he has a harder time defending big forwards. Also, his foot speed has never been supreme, so a team like the Avs or Knights can just skate around him. To me though, if he can still read the game and give the team quality top 4 minutes, then I’m not getting rid of him. But the team definitely needs another #1 to eventually supplant him at some point.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t think it will happen but I agree with those thinking that moving on from Gio is the shakeup the core could use.

I could see a fit with Toronto and something along the lines of the 15th pick, Kerfoot and a Dman like Liligren or Dermott.

I don't think the Flames and Leafs are good trading partners. The Leafs need a RD and the only player on their team I have any interest in would be Nylander.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

He might be declining, but he's still a 2-3 defenseman at absolute worst and 6.75m for a 2-3 defensemen is not exactly expensive.

In a flat cap era, and with the expansion draft looming, that is an expensive contract to take on for a soon to be 37 year old. I can't see too many teams being interested, and those that are aren't giving anything in return and we would have to take a contract back.

[SportsJunky]

Over at the Athletic today, Kurz wrote an article on potential trading partners for San Jose. I thought his opinion on what it would take to get a player like Gaudreau gives a peek into what John's value in a trade might be. He acknowledges that Calgary trading John into the western conference is a long shot though.

Potential targets: Johnny Gaudreau ($6.75 million, signed through 2021-22)

This would be a real long shot, but if Gaudreau is made available — and rumors are running wild about his future in Calgary — Wilson would have to at least check in on the availability of the electric 27-year-old left wing. The Flames were bounced in the first round by Dallas in embarrassing fashion, after blowing a 3-0 lead in Game 6 to lose, 7-3, while Gaudreau, who finished in fourth place in voting for the Hart Trophy in 2019 after a 99-point season, failed to record any even-strength points in 10 games in the playoffs other than an empty-net goal.

I highly doubt that if Gaudreau is dealt it would be to a fellow Pacific Division team. And make no mistake, the Sharks would have to offer up a significant package if they wanted to make a run at him. Think along the lines of Timo Meier, their 2020 (or 2021) first-round pick, and probably another asset like Labanc or a top prospect (of which the Sharks seem to have precious few).

I think many posters here would be swayed by that return.

[metroneck]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

I may be in the minority here, but I still think Gio has plenty of value on this team. He’s the heart and soul of this team and his work ethic is second to none in this league and that’s what this team needs more of.

I don’t think is is a question of his current value to the team, more a question of there may be greater value in what the return could be, over the next few years.

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by JTech780

In a flat cap era, and with the expansion draft looming, that is an expensive contract to take on for a soon to be 37 year old. I can't see too many teams being interested, and those that are aren't giving anything in return and we would have to take a contract back.

The upside to the contract is that it is ONLY two seasons.

And for a #2/#3 Dman its ok value.

Gio won't be here next season.

[AC]

Timo Meier, a 1st, and Labanc would be a pretty incredible return, no?

Meier is 23, a L shot RW, with 73 goals and 0.66 PPG in his last 3 seasons.
Labanc is 24, a R shot RW, with 42 goals and 0.56 PPG in his last 3 seasons.

[ComixZone]

San Jose's 1st belongs to Ottawa, and it's 3rd overall.

That deal is a "quantity" not quality trade. Exactly what I don't want.

They'll likely bounce back next season - no way I give San Jose the best player in the trade and end up with a mid round pick in 2021 and two pieces that aren't expansion draft exempt, especially wingers. The have Tampa's 2020 1st, again - no way in hell. That's a brutal damn trade.

[SportsJunky]

Also, I talked with a colleague in Montreal this morning. He says the Gaudreau to the Habs rumours are being discussed everywhere around town. Rumours yes but man there is a LOT of smoke around Gaudreau right now.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by AC

Timo Meier, a 1st, and Labanc would be a pretty incredible return, no?

Meier is 23, a L shot RW, with 73 goals and 0.66 PPG in his last 3 seasons.
Labanc is 24, a R shot RW, with 42 goals and 0.56 PPG in his last 3 seasons.

I would accept such a return if it were their 2021 pick (top 10 protected)

[metroneck]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Also, I talked with a colleague in Montreal this morning. He says the Gaudreau to the Habs rumours are being discussed everywhere around town. Rumours yes but man there is a LOT of smoke around Gaudreau right now.

I have a buddy from New Jersey, who is a casual fan. He is saying the same thing about JG talk there.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Over at the Athletic today, Kurz wrote an article on potential trading partners for San Jose. I thought his opinion on what it would take to get a player like Gaudreau gives a peek into what John's value in a trade might be. He acknowledges that Calgary trading John into the western conference is a long shot though.


I think many posters here would be swayed by that return.

Hmm, I don't know how great that return is actually.

Meier is a really good player and his cap hit is ok but he flames issue is cap space. The difference between Meier and Gaudreau is 750k, but Lebanc is an RFA in the ~3 million dollar range, perhaps arguably as high as 4.

A 2021 draft pick doesn't help this roster unless they move it attached to something else for an elite return, but if they are paying lebanc+Meier 9 million instead of Gaudreau 6.75, I don't know what kind of deals they can make to get that elite player.

They'd be better off attaching their own 1st with Gaudreau and trying to shoot the moon for an elite asset and take on 9 million that way.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

San Jose's 1st belongs to Ottawa, and it's 3rd overall.

That deal is a "quantity" not quality trade. Exactly what I don't want.

They'll likely bounce back next season - no way I give San Jose the best player in the trade and end up with a mid round pick in 2021 and two pieces that aren't expansion draft exempt, especially wingers. The have Tampa's 2020 1st, again - no way in hell. That's a brutal damn trade.

SJ has TB's first this year.

Meier, Labanc and a 1st would be better quality than you would get from most teams. It's way better than the rumoured Montreal trade.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by JTech780

SJ has TB's first this year.

Meier, Labanc and a 1st would be better quality than you would get from most teams. It's way better than the rumoured Montreal trade.

Two wingers non-exempt from the expansion draft and the 27th, 28th, 29th, 30th, or 31st is not worth trading Gaudreau for - and no, there will be better returns than that.

You are severely underrating Gaudreau, and also not addressing any of the structural issues with this team (weak D, weak C)

That Montreal return is significantly better because Domi is better than both of those players and you're getting 16th overall not the tail end of the 1st round - a worlds difference.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by Dan403

The upside to the contract is that it is ONLY two seasons.

And for a #2/#3 Dman its ok value.

Gio won't be here next season.

The team taking him would have to be ok with protecting him in the expansion draft or risk losing him after year. So it would have to be a team with not much depth on the backend. Since Giordano has a modified NTC I can't see him putting too many bottom dwelling teams on his ok list.