2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Quantity does not equal quality.

You can only dress 4, so what's the plan? Either Backlund or Bennett is the 4th line C there (assuming you can move Ryan, which is a big if). Then you have two useless pieces in Poehling and Jankowski.

What a cluster#### of a lineup that would be!

Haha, well if you're not a fan of Domi then of course you wouldn't be all that happy with that center depth. But a center of Domi's ability is really the only option I can see being possible in a Gaudreau trade. That's why I'm partial to a complete rebuild providing Treliving is able to get high end futures in return for our core players. Alas, I don't see the Flames going that route, and a guy like Domi would at least provide some serious jam up front to go along with speed and skill. If the Flames keep Bennett, he and Domi could be gritty, speedy in your face pair of Cs to go up against. I'm not against Domi myself, I'd just rather find another way to get him as opposed to him being part of a Gaudreau return.

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I'm late to the party on the Habs thing. I think that everyone knows what Domi is as a player, and that's an average second line centre who plays a gritty style that causes trouble for the opposing team. Nothing wrong with that. He is available because he has been pushed to wing in Montreal, where he is not as effective. In that way he is very much like Sam Bennett.

The only way that a Domi trade makes sense is if the Flames are serious about trading Monahan. Centre depth of Backlund, Domi, Bennett, Ryan would be unique in the league for being extraordinarily difficult to play against.

No interest in Poehling.

Domi, 16th, 61st, and Noah Juulsen, sign me up.

Two problems with Juulsen. 1. Didn't he just most of the season with a concussion? 2. He's not expansion exempt, so if he comes to Calgary and is actually good, they would have a hard time protecting him.

But yeah, in a bublle I would love to add either him or Cale Fleury, they are both good young RHD dmen.

[ComixZone]

I've been having fun with hockeyprospecting.com's player comparison, and using that tool I can completely understand why Tree was refusing to give up Juuso Valimaki in any trades.

In his draft year he projected better than Miro Heiskanen and Cale Makar by a small amount.

In his draft+1 year, he projected below Heiskanen but above Makar.

In his draft+2 year, he projected above Heiskanen but below Makar.

Obviously missing an entire season will set the guy back - but the numbers scream that he is in fact a top pairing defenceman with a real high ceiling. The fact that Foote and Brannstrom went ahead of him in the draft (directly ahead of him) was very fortuitous.

That draft went Heiskanen at 3rd, Makar 4th, and then no defencemen were selected until Foote at 14th, Brannstrom at 15th and then Valimaki at 16th.

[Harry Lime]

Juulsen got hit with a puck and had a resulting vision issue, that has since been resolved. He is a defense first defenseman, which would be perfect for Calgary, who has a bunch of offensive minded defensemen who need covering.

Someone should quietly whisper that Gaudreau is a French name, and say nothing about Johnny not being able to speak French.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I've been having fun with hockeyprospecting.com's player comparison, and using that tool I can completely understand why Tree was refusing to give up Juuso Valimaki in any trades.

In his draft year he projected better than Miro Heiskanen and Cale Makar by a small amount.

In his draft+1 year, he projected below Heiskanen but above Makar.

In his draft+2 year, he projected above Heiskanen but below Makar.

Obviously missing an entire season will set the guy back - but the numbers scream that he is in fact a top pairing defenceman with a real high ceiling. The fact that Foote and Brannstrom went ahead of him in the draft (directly ahead of him) was very fortuitous.

That draft went Heiskanen at 3rd, Makar 4th, and then no defencemen were selected until Foote at 14th, Brannstrom at 15th and then Valimaki at 16th.

I hope so. The Flames desperately need another top 4 Dman, and if they get one that's on an ELC still and is also expansion exempt, well that will just be the cats pajamas. The only thing missing would be if Juuso was a right hand shot. That's why Adam Fox is really in my bad books right now, the little prick.

It also makes me mad though at this years playoffs. How much better off are the Flames in that series with Tkachuk and a Dman at that kind of level?

[Burning Beard]

I don't mind the idea of Domi. It seems this management is realizing that to be a successful team in the west you need some snarl on your roster.

[Harry Lime]

Chatter in Oilers Nation is about Ekman-Larsson, and what he would cost. The suggestion from Dustin Neilson on their radio is that it would cost Darnell Nurse and a prospect like Raphaël Lavoie (actually pretty accurate). How awesome would it be for them to have another giant contract, this one going until the player is well into his dotage.

[jg13]

Yeah the second I saw OELs name floating around a couple days ago I thought this is a guy Edmonton will 100% go hard after.

[Roof-Daddy]

I don't think there is any way the Flames would trade Gio, but if it's a money thing for Arizona I'd be fine with some sort of swap with Gio and OEL being the main pieces.

We would shave about 7-8 years off of our number #1 Dman, and the Yotes would save $44,500,000 big ones.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by New Era

Does it save us money? Domi is a RFA and will need a raise. If there are savings, it will be minimal and probably not enough to sign Hall.

does he need to make more than 4.5? I mean honestly here. Tree would have him signed to a 4x4 deal with his inconsistency. No way he earns a dime more than 5m.

[Nelson]

I do wonder about trading Giordano. It sounds like a terrible idea, but he’s slowing down. The Flames could shed some salary in the deal, potentially get some picks or prospects to boost the system and go with Hanifin, Valimaki, Kylington on the left.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Nelson

I do wonder about trading Giordano. It sounds like a terrible idea, but he’s slowing down. The Flames could shed some salary in the deal, potentially get some picks or prospects to boost the system and go with Hanifin, Valimaki, Kylington on the left.

This is my vote for the core changing move. We are deep down the left side, he is regressing now and that will only speed up as he ages. He has not been able to lead this team anywhere in the playoffs and he still will have good trade value while giving us cap space. It is also allows us to put the C on Tkachuk now and let him drive this team as leader.

[Geeoff]

OEL feels like a potential future whipping boy around here. He's not an all around machine like Norris Giordano was and I think that expectations would be understandably very high considering OEL's salary.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This is my vote for the core changing move. We are deep down the left side, he is regressing now and that will only speed up as he ages. He has not been able to lead this team anywhere in the playoffs and he still will have good trade value while giving us cap space. It is also allows us to put the C on Tkachuk now and let him drive this team as leader.

I can’t believe I’ve come around to agreeing with this idea. But I’m there.

[Toonage]

Having watched Gio's panicked play the last 2 playoffs I would also be on board with this. My confidence in him is gone.

I do worry about Treliving's ties to Arizona (specifically their current & past players that he would know).

OEL & Domi, while the rumors are just that, make me wonder if there might be just a hint of truth to them.

[Harry Lime]

Just to be clear about my opinion, I think that OEL's contract is a team crushing burden for the last four years of it, when it's more than likely he becomes a 3M dollar player instead of a 9.5M dollar player. The solution to Giordano is to move him to the second pairing.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Giordano can be a valuable player when he isn't the top pairing go-to guy.

Maybe a deal around Giordano and Andersen makes sense, with the Leafs adding in my opinion, based on how much goalies are valued in the market. Doesn't help that Andersen only has a year left. Flames get their keeper goalie, the Leafs have their top 3 D as Rielly, Muzzin, and Gio.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I've been having fun with hockeyprospecting.com's player comparison, and using that tool I can completely understand why Tree was refusing to give up Juuso Valimaki in any trades.

In his draft year he projected better than Miro Heiskanen and Cale Makar by a small amount.

In his draft+1 year, he projected below Heiskanen but above Makar.

In his draft+2 year, he projected above Heiskanen but below Makar.

Obviously missing an entire season will set the guy back - but the numbers scream that he is in fact a top pairing defenceman with a real high ceiling. The fact that Foote and Brannstrom went ahead of him in the draft (directly ahead of him) was very fortuitous.

That draft went Heiskanen at 3rd, Makar 4th, and then no defencemen were selected until Foote at 14th, Brannstrom at 15th and then Valimaki at 16th.

I really hope that year off didn't hurt his development. Valimaki reminds me a lot of Gio stylistically too, so he has a good mentor in Calgary

[CliffFletcher]

Do people really think there’s a big demand for a declining, soon to be 37 year old defenceman with a cap hit of $6.75 mil for two more seasons? At the very least, the Flames would have to take back a bad contract worth $ 5mil+.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Giordano can be a valuable player when he isn't the top pairing go-to guy.

Maybe a deal around Giordano and Andersen makes sense, with the Leafs adding in my opinion, based on how much goalies are valued in the market. Doesn't help that Andersen only has a year left. Flames get their keeper goalie, the Leafs have their top 3 D as Rielly, Muzzin, and Gio.

I also think Gio is still valuable. I think it’s clear he peaked in his Norris year and is on a decline. BUT it’s really not unheard of for players in decline to have a few uptick years on the way down. I wouldn’t be surprised if Gio has a bounce back year next year (I equally wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t).

ETA: I recall people saying Chara was pretty much done years ago, and then he had a really good year or three.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Do people really think there’s a big demand for a declining, soon to be 37 year old defenceman with a cap hit of $6.75 mil for two more seasons? At the very least, the Flames would have to take back a bad contract worth $ 5mil+.

I want Giordano gone.. but I do think there will be a team willing to take his contract for a prospect. He only has 2 years left and can become a good top 4 dman and leader for a younger team.

Maybe Buffalo? Detroit? NYR? Ottawa?