Minneapolis PD Suffocate Unarmed Black Man Who Later Dies in Hospital

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

You're right, my eyes just somehow skipped over the Cliff quote.

[PsYcNeT]

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by SebC

Police were allowed to execute a no-knock warrant.
Her boyfriend is allowed to shoot at a home invader.
Police are allowed to shoot back.

All of those things that resulted in her death were legal. And that's way more screwed up than if the cops were simply evil men.

Thats what I was getting at with the rest of my post. Its not just the cops when it's systemic, its the law makers, lawyers, elected officials in all levels of government. They should be charged with murder, but the laws prevent that as they were well within their scope according to the law. No justice.

[ResAlien]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1299075224768598023

It’s a bold strategy Cotton, let’s see if it works out for them.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

https://twitter.com/user/status/1299075224768598023

It’s a bold strategy Cotton, let’s see if it works out for them.

Same energy

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Thats what I was getting at with the rest of my post. Its not just the cops when it's systemic, its the law makers, lawyers, elected officials in all levels of government. They should be charged with murder, but the laws prevent that as they were well within their scope according to the law. No justice.

Here is the thing, I've encouraged people before to atcually deep dive into the history and formation of modern policing before. Modern history of policing is very much ingrained with close ties to white supremacy not just in the South but every corner of the Country. It sounds like left liberal jibberish but it's true history. Obviously it's easy to see how the south has it's connection from the slave patrollers who main goal was to "Police the enslaved" . They were legislated by the state and local governments. They were an extenstion of the army. The militia were made of cadets from the military schools and the army to maintain a structured ranked system. Plantation overseers I don't think I need to even go onto
After the civil war with Jim crow with the anger and worry about white supremacy being challenged policing agencies drew the allure of re-establishing dominance over black people. Obviously ex-military/ militia's , patrollers, angry white men in general etc etc. That was at every level of government.

Skip ahead to the 2nd KKK founding by William Joseph Simmons who made the klan many political friends by promoting there dedication to law and order by even helping pass prohibition laws. He promoted the Klan as a friend to police that can be called in to help. Sheriff's were not hesitant to call thwm in for assistance for the mildest things and many on local police forces became members themselves. Then came his successor Hiram Wesley Evans who was able to acheive great political power for the klan because of this he discouraged vigilantes to act violently as it would make politicians weary of association. In his tenure je grew the klans REGISTISTERD membership from between 2.5 million and 6million records are hard to determine exact. Thwy also were able to expand heavily into the Mid west. I feel it's important to point out that those were just registered numbers because it's hard to believe that the numbers were not greater because they all had families and friends . It's conceivable friends/families and the public ingeneral had the exact same beliefs but were not registered members. Many members were politically powerful,law enforcement ,Upper and middle class business owners in the south and throughout all of the mid west aswell. By the end of his tenure membership fell to around only 100,00 because many unregistered due to scandals but the influence of the klan remained. The membership didn't decline because people had an epiphany, but because they wanted to distance themselves from the scandals.

This is obviously simplified down but its a base to understanding how policing was influenced and goverment bodies. I would like to go further but thats alot of deep diving and typimg on a phone .

The northern states were no better . There was alot of anger towards black people because of the cival war,the influx of freed slave migratimg north etc etc. The stereotype of just the South being extreme racists is such baloney. The North was as racist as the South. The north actually adopted further rasist policing policies to appease the whites because they were so angry at blacks .

[Magnum PEI]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/27/u...ing-video.html

Here's a fairly balanced portrayal of what happened. Sounds like Rittenhouse did not shoot first.

[ernie]

The thing is you have a guy obviously carrying a gun. Yes a gun shot goes off first but there doesn’t seem to be evidence that shot was directed at Rittenhouse. He turns and a guy is lunging. He shoots. Now is it self defense on his part or is the lunging man thinking self defense against a guy with a gun with unknown intent? This is quite frankly why carrying in public doesn’t make sense to me and is indefensible (clearly I’m not American!)

Replace the gun with a guy brandishing a knife and no one is thinking the knife wielder has good things in his head and a guy lunging is a potential hero trying to disarm a guy. But a gun and and somehow it’s different. He was shot multiple times in the groin, back, hand, thigh and a graze wound to the head.

And of course the right wing really, really is ignoring something they would never ignore if the shoe was on the other foot. Like he was in illegal possession of a firearm. He also carried that over state lines (Illegal) to participate in a protest/counter protest (something the right has been saying the left does..professional troublemakers etc).

I’m hard pressed to believe he was pure of heart in this. Sure seems like he was looking for a reason to fire some shots.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by ernie

The thing is you have a guy obviously carrying a gun. Yes a gun shot goes off first but there doesn’t seem to be evidence that shot was directed at Rittenhouse. He turns and a guy is lunging. He shoots. Now is it self defense on his part or is the lunging man thinking self defense against a guy with a gun with unknown intent? This is quite frankly why carrying in public doesn’t make sense to me and is indefensible (clearly I’m not American!)

Replace the gun with a guy brandishing a knife and no one is thinking the knife wielder has good things in his head and a guy lunging is a potential hero trying to disarm a guy. But a gun and and somehow it’s different. He was shot multiple times in the groin, back, hand, thigh and a graze wound to the head.

And of course the right wing really, really is ignoring something they would never ignore if the shoe was on the other foot. Like he was in illegal possession of a firearm. He also carried that over state lines (Illegal) to participate in a protest/counter protest (something the right has been saying the left does..professional troublemakers etc).

I’m hard pressed to believe he was pure of heart in this. Sure seems like he was looking for a reason to fire some shots.

You forgot even in his home state he was not allowed to have a weapon untill he is 21. He needed someone to sponser his gun ownership license.

The self defense i can see being hard to prove beyond the obvious. The state does have a Castle doctrine amd a form of "Stand your ground" law . Neither of them would ever pertain to him regardless because he's not a Wisconsin resident . Even if he was the stand your ground law that is in Wisconsin only protects you if a person forcibly enters your vehicle, home or business. They can't be trying to get in, they need to have successfully broken into one of the 3 if your currently occupying them.

2. Under the law in Wisconsin because there was a curfew that started at 7p.m which legally anyone is violating. Under the current situation of the violence that was ongoing and the fact he wasn't part of the protests the police had all legal grounds to arrest him for disorderly conduct while being armed. Which every member of the maitias can face . You can legally open carry but you can't have an agenda when you do so E.g patrolling the streets regardless of a curfew or not.

[DownInFlames]

If it wasn’t for the lies spread by Trump and Fox News he wouldn’t have been there and those two people would be alive. He believed the propaganda that the protesters are all violent Antifa and he needed to protect property from them.

Did the militia he was with know he was only 17? So much for “well-regulated”.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

2. Under the law in Wisconsin because there was a curfew that started at 7p.m which legally anyone is violating. Under the current situation of the violence that was ongoing and the fact he wasn't part of the protests the police had all legal grounds to arrest him for disorderly conduct while being armed. Which every member of the maitias can face . You can legally open carry but you can't have an agenda when you do so E.g patrolling the streets regardless of a curfew or not.

The cops in one of the APCs were thanking the militia and giving them water even though they were breaking the law as much as the protesters.

[Magnum PEI]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

If it wasn’t for the lies spread by Trump and Fox News he wouldn’t have been there and those two people would be alive. He believed the propaganda that the protesters are all violent Antifa and he needed to protect property from them.

Did the militia he was with know he was only 17? So much for “well-regulated”.

Multiple small businesses in Kenosha were torched the night before. The kid was trying to defend basically his home town. Yeah he probably shouldn't have gone, but I'm not gonna fault him for standing up for what's right.

[Magnum PEI]

Originally Posted by ernie

The thing is you have a guy obviously carrying a gun. Yes a gun shot goes off first but there doesn’t seem to be evidence that shot was directed at Rittenhouse. He turns and a guy is lunging. He shoots. Now is it self defense on his part or is the lunging man thinking self defense against a guy with a gun with unknown intent? This is quite frankly why carrying in public doesn’t make sense to me and is indefensible (clearly I’m not American!)

Replace the gun with a guy brandishing a knife and no one is thinking the knife wielder has good things in his head and a guy lunging is a potential hero trying to disarm a guy. But a gun and and somehow it’s different. He was shot multiple times in the groin, back, hand, thigh and a graze wound to the head.

And of course the right wing really, really is ignoring something they would never ignore if the shoe was on the other foot. Like he was in illegal possession of a firearm. He also carried that over state lines (Illegal) to participate in a protest/counter protest (something the right has been saying the left does..professional troublemakers etc).

I’m hard pressed to believe he was pure of heart in this. Sure seems like he was looking for a reason to fire some shots.

He was being chased by a mob both times. He stopped and phoned 911 immediately when he saw what happened. He seems like a good kid to me.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by Magnum PEI

Multiple small businesses in Kenosha were torched the night before. The kid was trying to defend basically his home town. Yeah he probably shouldn't have gone, but I'm not gonna fault him for standing up for what's right.

Lol dude, the kid came from another state...wtf are you talking about.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by Magnum PEI

Multiple small businesses in Kenosha were torched the night before. The kid was trying to defend basically his home town. Yeah he probably shouldn't have gone, but I'm not gonna fault him for standing up for what's right.

His intentions were to protect property, which isn’t a bad thing, but he committed multiple felonies to carry out those intentions, and that’s before a single shot was fired. If he wanted to go clean graffiti and stand guard I say go for it. He definitely shouldn’t have gone with a rifle he wasn’t legally allowed to possess.

Nice avatar.

[Magnum PEI]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Lol dude, the kid came from another state...wtf are you talking about.

He lived 10 miles away. Kenosha is close to the border.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

His intentions were to protect property, which isn’t a bad thing, but he committed multiple felonies to carry out those intentions, and that’s before a single shot was fired. If he wanted to go clean graffiti and stand guard I say go for it. He definitely shouldn’t have gone with a rifle he wasn’t legally allowed to possess.

Nice avatar.

His intention was to live out some weird Rambo John Wayne fantasy, in his mind he stood on the roof of the gas station like Davey Crocket at the Alamo with his best gal by his side, that's always what these gun totting doofuses think

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

His intentions were to protect property, which isn’t a bad thing, but he committed multiple felonies to carry out those intentions, and that’s before a single shot was fired. If he wanted to go clean graffiti and stand guard I say go for it. He definitely shouldn’t have gone with a rifle he wasn’t legally allowed to possess.

Nice avatar.

His intentions were to shoot and kill libtards and black people. And he succeeded.

That POS and the rest of the white supremacists are there because they want to shoot people.

They don’t give a #### about their fellow humans or their businesses.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Magnum PEI

He lived 10 miles away. Kenosha is close to the border.

30 mins away in another state and broke several felonies just to travel there.
Also I wouldn't expect you to understand the issues from what you posted yesterday in FOI

Originally Posted by Magnum PEI

Lol, the guy's not even dead. I'll be pissed if the NHL skips a day over this nonsense.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Magnum PEI

He was being chased by a mob both times. He stopped and phoned 911 immediately when he saw what happened. He seems like a good kid to me.

He had no legal right to discharge his fire arm under Wisconsin law or even to have a weapon in the first place.