2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Are the picks 2 first rounders?

Would still be an awful trade IMO.

[dammage79]

16th and 19th gets you a chance at 2 of Holloway, Amirov, Zary, maybe Jarvis, maybe Quinn, Lapierre, Gunler or a reach for Kimontaival or Wallinder and so on.

I dont get the Domi love but you consider he could center a Tkachuk line and all of a sudden thats one of the nastiest line in modern hockey.

Poehling I think has 4th line effective center written all over him. I'd put him there tomorrow and move Ryan. Also means there's a TON of center depth now. But still leaves RHS weak AF.

I think other teams could have better packages but if this is real, then it is what it is, and I can live with it.

You want centers? You got em.

Habs also have picks #47, 48 and 57 in this draft alone. One of them would make this package complete.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Are the picks 2 first rounders?

Weren't identified.

[Roof-Daddy]

The Habs have 14 picks in this draft, including three 2nds (47th, 48th and 61st).

If that deal is true, it had better be 16th plus one of the mid 2nds.

Geeez though.

[savardandjokinen]

Yeah I hope that's not true. Poehling is worthless in my opinion

The 2 picks have to be 16 and 47 and it should be Primeau instead of Poehling at least, and even then I don't think I like it

If they'd do Domi + 16 + Romanov or Caufield, you take it and run, but I think those two are untouchable

[Jiri Hrdina]

Personally I don't mind that deal and aligns to my expectations of what you probably are going to get. I think Domi could add a welcome element to the team. Poehling is probably an 3rd liner, and not much more.
Hinges on what those picks are. I would hope for at least 1 first.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by savardandjokinen

Yeah I hope that's not true. Poehling is worthless in my opinion

The 2 picks have to be 16 and 47 and it should be Primeau instead of Poehling at least, and even then I don't think I like it

If they'd do Domi + 16 + Romanov or Caufield, you take it and run, but I think those two are untouchable

Oh you darned straight start the car and drive as fast as you can if you can get Romanov in the deal. No brainer.

[dammage79]

I also see a trade like this signaling other moves as well, moving Ryan and Backlund probably. Unless they're going full carter/Richard's and moving Monny too. Imagine Monny for Risto and 8th OA or Cozens. Thats a rebuild/retool whatever ypu want to call it on the fly.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Personally I don't mind that deal and aligns to my expectations of what you probably are going to get. I think Domi could add a welcome element to the team. Poehling is probably an 3rd liner, and not much more.
Hinges on what those picks are. I would hope for at least 1 first.

I would have a bad feeling we wouldn't even get 16th overall. Maybe a couple of 2nds....maybe I'm just trying to lower my expectations a bit here.

[Roof-Daddy]

So, might as well discuss it since that's what this thread is for.

Domi supposedly wants to be a C, it's apparently one of the reasons he may be on the block because the Habs already have Danault, Suzuki and Kotkaniemi as Cs long term.

Poehling is also a C, although he also plays LW.

If this trade happened, here would be the Flames C depth chart:

Monahan
Domi
Backlund (Full NTC)
Bennett
Ryan
Poehling
Janko (RFA)

If they acquire Domi and plan to use him as a C, and also still plan on keeping Bennett and using him as a C, then something's gotta give.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

If you won't read the post there's not much I'm going to be able to do here.

To be clear, I didn’t ask for your help.

I read it. The rest of it doesn’t reflect a well considered balanced argument, its basically a smear job. It just attempts to further back claims that the management of this hockey team is incompetent. Your forecasting clearly alludes to Tkachuk either wanting to force his way out (if that’s the case why isn’t this already happening) or he’s going to extract as much money as possible from the Flames. I guess Mathew Tkachuk must be a self serving A-hole. In either case, you don’t know.

Was there a deal for Frolik, or anyone else for that matter, prior to Tkachuk’s extension that would have freed up space to sign this desired contract you’re alluding to? Would it have been a good deal or would it have only put the Flames in a worse spot to which you would have surely latched on to.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I would have a bad feeling we wouldn't even get 16th overall. Maybe a couple of 2nds....maybe I'm just trying to lower my expectations a bit here.

Yeah we all have fears over bad deals given the past. Like the Regehr deal

- We are getting a pick? Neat.
- Only a 2nd? Well that's not great.
- Wait - we are the ones sending a 2nd!?!?!?!

Ugh that was a bad day.

[Monahammer]

kotka or bust for johnny. anything less from Mon is a bad trade and sets the club back.

[alcatrazhockey]

Haven't posted in a while but wanted to throw in my two cents...
If the Flames are looking to trade Gaudreau now, it's unfortunate that this comes about following a down year and a future flat cap. Teams are not going to see his 6.75 cap hit as a bargain for the 0.83 ppg player he was in 19/20, and they're not going to be paying up believing he is still the 99 pt player he was in 18/19, so the Flames are kind of between a rock and a hard place with him. I think the best option may be to save him for a trade deadline, 2021 or 22, when teams are looking to add pieces for a playoff run and tend to overpay.

[Bonded]

I am guessing the Domi rumour was probably a regurgitation of the fake one from a few days ago but if it happens then do you just cross your fingers and hope Domi is a center and trade Monahan?



I prefer the Couturier fake rumour...

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by alcatrazhockey

Haven't posted in a while but wanted to throw in my two cents...
If the Flames are looking to trade Gaudreau now, it's unfortunate that this comes about following a down year and a future flat cap. Teams are not going to see his 6.75 cap hit as a bargain for the 0.83 ppg player he was in 19/20, and they're not going to be paying up believing he is still the 99 pt player he was in 18/19, so the Flames are kind of between a rock and a hard place with him. I think the best option may be to save him for a trade deadline, 2021 or 22, when teams are looking to add pieces for a playoff run and tend to overpay.

Some of this might be true, but if you don't trade him in the off-season (this one, the next), I don't think you can really trade him at the trade deadline when the team is in a playoff spot (or even close to one). To make that kind of a change at the TD is tough to do, especially if it is a futures-oriented deal.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

kotka or bust for johnny. anything less from Mon is a bad trade and sets the club back.

Step back or not, I can’t see any scenario where a team is going to give up a cost controlled-entry level C with top 2 upside for 2 years of JG.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Probably a fake deal, but I can't say I hated the fake deal. If the picks were 16 and 47 in particular. I guess I haven't kept up on Hab prospects, but are we sure Poehling is mediocre/terrible?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

So, might as well discuss it since that's what this thread is for.

Domi supposedly wants to be a C, it's apparently one of the reasons he may be on the block because the Habs already have Danault, Suzuki and Kotkaniemi as Cs long term.

Poehling is also a C, although he also plays LW.

If this trade happened, here would be the Flames C depth chart:

Monahan
Domi
Backlund (Full NTC)
Bennett
Ryan
Poehling
Janko (RFA)

If they acquire Domi and plan to use him as a C, and also still plan on keeping Bennett and using him as a C, then something's gotta give.

Alternatively, Domi takes johnny spot at top line LW with Monny and Lindholm. Poehling still slots 4th line any which way you cut it. Probably replaces Reider?

Actually, now that I think about it, its one stop shopping for tree when it comes to the fw group.

So LW as follows:
1.Tkachuk
2.Domi
3.Looch
4.Poehling?

C:
1. Monny
2.Backs
3.Bennett
4. Ryan

Rw:
1.Lindholm
2. Mangiapane
3.Dube
4.???? Gawdin maybe.

[VladtheImpaler]

The reason Treliving was handcuffed in the Tkachuk negotiations was that he wasted a bunch of money on garbage and left himself no room for maneuver. Whether and when the Frolik deal was available is not the point. Brower, Stone, Neal, Hamonic, etc is the reason...