Flames Garbage Day Quotes

[Love]

Buyout Monahan if you must. Need him gone expeditiously

[bluejays]

What I like about Francis is he's not afraid to ask the difficult question. Today he seemed to ask a tough one or two to Gaudreau, when most guys would ask the fluffy one. You need that wide variety in media, so while I don't like seeing him on TV, I do appreciate him as a reporter.

[Brick]

Same garbage.

[Calgary4LIfe]

If Treliving goes through this off-season without making a significant change to the core, then he is a brave man indeed. If he does so, I will admire the fact that he is standing by his work. If it doesn't work out, it will cost him his job.


My thoughts on the core: I disagree with the assertion that it is not good enough to win. I just that, for the most part, they need to play a different style of game. They absolutely need to play a faster transition, and they need to be more aggressive on D. The skill on D is there. That's the changes that I would like to see.


I can live with this team coming back if they change coaching. I don't see the 'they don't care enough' or 'aren't willing to play hard enough' or 'aren't committed' angle that is becoming so popular. I see Johnny still getting too frustrated at times, and I see a rattled team overall that stops being able to make crisp passes and take a second or two longer to make a decision out there.


What I also think is that the Flames need help scoring - at least with this system. I do think a faster transition will create more goals for this group. If they want to play this way, then then can't rely on one scoring line - they will need 3 if not 4. Hall signing here will make it much more difficult to defend against. Does the other team put out their best checkers and defencemen against the Gaudreau line, or the Hall line? Don't forget the Tkachuk line, which is usually the checking line! Make sense?


As another poster stated, I don't know how you go about doing that and still filling in defence. However, here is where I think a better coach comes in as well - I seem to remember the '04 Flames not having really good and experienced defencemen outside of a couple. Everyone stepped up. There are teams in the playoffs today who don't have an expensive D-corps but are still playing hockey. Plus, the goalies will look like all-stars.


The reason everyone is pissed-off with this group is because it has failed to meet expectations (and in embarrassing fashion), but the expectations are there for a reason - this is a good, but under-performing group. I don't want to lay it all on Ward's feet, especially since he had to take over from Peters, but dammit if this team has some sort of fear of hiring competent coaching.


If they can bring an experienced and proven coach in, bring in Hall, and somehow balance this roster, I will be all in. Hopefully that includes Brodie in a way - I think he is the best transition defencemen on the team with his passing/ability to skate with the puck. That's a big ask, however, to include him and Hall.



Don't trust me, however. I am ok with a rebuild too.

[RT14]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

I always find when people start a sentence with "to be honest", they're not really being honest.

I’ve heard that before and maybe there’s some truth to it regarding some people but I say it often and it’s because I’m being honest. I’m a very honest person and am known for being so with friends and family so it bothers me that saying “to be honest” would make someone feel like I’m not.

Just my 2 cents on your post. Carry on.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

I want offensive guys to make high risk plays. Every offensive guy I watch blows the zone to get a step - I think it's something a team should accept in order to get goals.



I don't think Gaudreau makes reckless offensive plays that don't have much chance - he would not have stayed in the NHL if these were a recurring thing in his game.



Respectuflly, I think Gaudreau detractors only look for his warts. So if there is a bad play that most good players make, somehow it's criminal if Gaudreau makes them.

I think he really started to make those low chance reckless plays after last year's all star break. Button hook to nowhere or low angle shot that invariably ended up in our own end way too often.

It seemed his creativity disappeared around the same time and his points production followed downward.

Don't know what happened around that time but something wasn't right and still isn't. And I'm not even talking about playoff performance which is a whole other conversation.

[Beatle17]

What was Washington's playoff record for the years before they won the cup? Did their top players, Ovechkin/Backstrom/Holtby, become playoff monsters?

What about Rangers for all the great free agents they acquire, what has their playoff record been?

Just trying to calculate how bad the Flames have been compared to some of the GREATEST teams of all time, or is the look of those other teams a bit biased also?

[Sandman]

To echo Calgary4Life-I've said it before, most of the problems with this team would be cleared up with the right coach. If management won't let Tre spend to get that, then shame on them.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by Buff

I don't know why it matters what Treliving says. It is the job of the GM to not tip his hand. Don't let it known that you're going to trade a player before you start talking about it. Don't let the other teams lessen their offers because you seem desperate to get rid of that player.

Also, so what if Treliving doesn't provide shock value? Not very many GMs or coaches do. You want shock value comments? Go watch WWE or UFC.

Somebody who defends his players is somebody who the players like to be around and play for. Two or three years from now some player, no matter how significant the signing, may remember that Treliving didn't speak bad of Johnny and not have any doubts about re-signing or coming in as a UFA, wheras if he spoke ill of Johnny, or ANY player for that matter, then he'd have a harder time convincing people to come to town, or to stick around.

This is all fine and dandy had the man in charge who operates a particular way shown any signs of improvement in his 6 year tenure. He hasn't proved anything at the NHL level. This feeling of saying anything remotely negative about anybody is exactly the mediocre culture the Flames have built.

Also where did I say rip the players or tip his hand? I said "acknowledgement". As the head of the front office, it is not only you're responsibility to build a contending team, but also be the speaking voice to the fans.

Players want to play for a WINNER first and foremost. If the Flames had a winning culture and put that above anything else, players are going to come. They aren't going to care that the GM, again "acknowledged", his teams and top players failures.

People are way to soft these days.

[AC]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1298054440595755010

He joined the 960 after too:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/960/big-sho...d-opportunity/

[Jiri Hrdina]

What would you have said?

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by Love

Buyout Monahan if you must. Need him gone expeditiously

Troll-lololo

[atb]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Rasmus playing with a broken foot and Bennett with a torn triceps. Impressive play from both all things considered.

Man that just amplifies my disappointment in the top line and somewhat to Gio. Rasmus and Bennett playing hurt and still two of the best players during the playoffs.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by RT14

I’ve heard that before and maybe there’s some truth to it regarding some people but I say it often and it’s because I’m being honest. I’m a very honest person and am known for being so with friends and family so it bothers me that saying “to be honest” would make someone feel like I’m not.

Just my 2 cents on your post. Carry on.

Liar!

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by fleury

What I like about Francis is he's not afraid to ask the difficult question. Today he seemed to ask a tough one or two to Gaudreau, when most guys would ask the fluffy one. You need that wide variety in media, so while I don't like seeing him on TV, I do appreciate him as a reporter.

He's singling out Gaudreau as the reason the Flames lost. Granted it's fair to criticize him for not producing 5 on 5 because he wasn't as good as the Flames needed him to be but what about Giordano, Monahan and Lindholm? If even two of them step up maybe we are talking about the Flames in a 2nd round game thread. Tkachuk hasn't produced offensively at all in the playoffs. There's plenty of blame to go around and to pile on one player publicly on the radio, print, tweets, etc is pretty lame IMO. It's almost like it's personal or something.

[Roof-Daddy]

So no injuries for Lindholm?

He played like crap.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

So no injuries for Lindholm?

He played like crap.

The strange thing is that he was probably the most consistent, dependable player on the first line all season and in the playoffs he just stopped being that guy. Maybe a case of trying to do too much rather than play his regular game? It was weird how bad he was.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

After reading these quotes and having time to digest another unsuccessful playoffs I think, depending on who becomes the head coach, I’d give the core of this group one more shot to get it done. Obviously some changes will be made and the heat is on Tre to see if he can make some quality improvements in the offseason. I’d love a Boudreau/Laviolette/Gallant hiring, a Brodie extension and acquiring a #1 goaltender to start.

Nah. Go back in time to the end of the COL series and it's the same feeling of optimism. We were all angry at the players for a lacklustre series. Then we all calmed down and watched the exit interviews, and gosh darn if most of us didn't think that group really means it this time and they should get another shot. Surely this time they will get it done, right?

A legit head coach with big game experience would go a loooooong way. But fact is this core is fun to watch when it's on, but isn't going to win a cup just because a new head coach comes in. Heads gotta roll at some point and sadly it's gonna be a player or 2 we all love.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Love

Buyout Monahan if you must. Need him gone expeditiously

You could very easily get a first-round pick and more for Monahan. The idea of buying him out is lunacy.

[yourbestfriend]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

As another poster stated, I don't know how you go about doing that and still filling in defence. However, here is where I think a better coach comes in as well - I seem to remember the '04 Flames not having really good and experienced defencemen outside of a couple. Everyone stepped up. There are teams in the playoffs today who don't have an expensive D-corps but are still playing hockey. Plus, the goalies will look like all-stars.

If they can bring an experienced and proven coach in, bring in Hall, and somehow balance this roster, I will be all in. Hopefully that includes Brodie in a way - I think he is the best transition defencemen on the team with his passing/ability to skate with the puck. That's a big ask, however, to include him and Hall.

A good example would be Vegas, arguably one of the favorites to go all the way this year. Their D roster consists of Schmidt, Theodore, Martinez, McNabb, Holden, Merrill and Engelland.
Schmidt and Theodore are excellent players, but other that that, pretty average looking. This past year, on paper at least, our D roster of Gio, Brodie, Hamonic, Hanifin, Andersson and Stone should have blown theirs outta the water.

Where they make up the difference is in everyone stepping up and being coached exceptionally well.