Flames Garbage Day Quotes

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by mile

*Looks at Eric Francis*

https://twitter.com/user/status/1298006809572073472

https://twitter.com/user/status/1298006810452926464

The only way I can reasonably read this is that Treliving is trying to maximize Johnny's trade value.

Not just because I watched Johnny's Hot Mess Performance, Part II. But also because Tre said the same things about Dougie Hamilton before giving him the boot.

Calgary is building a team of hard working, two-way players. Johnny is neither of those things.

[Azure]

At the end of the day if we want to will while Johnny and Monahan are still on this team, we need more depth and better leadership.

The team fell apart in the last game.

[bluejays]

Maybe I’m reading into Treliving’s comments too much but I’d guess that they don’t mind keeping Gaudreau to lure Hall. So who else could be moved out? Backlund (despite the NMC) or Monahan? I’d think one would have to go in a package to move up in the first round.

[manwiches]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

The only way I can reasonably read this is that Treliving is trying to maximize Johnny's trade value.

Not just because I watched Johnny's Hot Mess Performance, Part II. But also because Tre said the same things about Dougie Hamilton before giving him the boot.

Calgary is building a team of hard working, two-way players. Johnny is neither of those things.

I beg to differ on the two way player aspect. Johnny was probably the best version of back check Johnny I've seen since he started. He alone prevent a handful of opportunities on his hustle back alone.

Sure, the production isn't there, but at least you could rely on him to hustle his tail off out there. He's not going to wow you with blowing some guy up center ice or rub a guy out along the boards, but the hustle and awareness were good enough in my books.

I do think that Tre is trying to keep his asset in a positive light, but I think that comes two fold. He is first and foremost, trying to protect Johnny and go to bat for him. As anybody who works for somebody, when your boss goes to bat for you, then you are happy. Secondly, should things turn, he has done what he can to keep Johnny's value up regardless.

I think attempting to read the tealeaves on this comment is fruitless. Of course Tre will listen if the phones ring. But if it's not in the best interests of the Flames, then it's a moot point.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Being a 200 foot player is more about back checking. Johnny is a guy who loves having the puck so he'll pursue getting it back. And he's pretty dogged on that, at times, in transition.
Where he is week though is turning the puck over when he does have it, including at both blues, which lead to high opportunity chances the other way. And once the team is in the offensive zone - he has no clue where he should be.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Being a 200 foot player is more about back checking. Johnny is a guy who loves having the puck so he'll pursue getting it back. And he's pretty dogged on that, at times, in transition.
Where he is week though is turning the puck over when he does have it, including at both blues, which lead to high opportunity chances the other way. And once the team is in the offensive zone - he has no clue where he should be.

Anybody who handles the puck is going to turn it over from time to time. If you recall in his rookie season in a road game against CHI he did that inside opponent blueline. Burke told him to keep playing his game because he's creative and makes more plays than blows.

Are you saying he turns the puck over at those areas more than other guys who control the puck?

[getbak]

[Wood]

I think trading Gaudreau is the right thing to do, but I'm not opposed to keeping the core together and going all in for another season

If it blows up in our faces again, Gaudreau could have more value on the last year of his contract than he would this off-season

If you can add a legit top 6 player (Hall) to this core, there should be no more excuses. Give Tkachuk/Hall top line duties and open up the ice for Monahan/Gaudreau

It won't happen but if Bennett was up to the task, a top 9 like this would be exciting:

Hall - Bennett - Tkachuk
Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Mangiapane - Backlund - Dube

Flames would have to move someone like Ryan to afford a goalie and sign Mangiapane, so I doubt it works. But it's fun to dream

[Geeoff]

can we trade Eric Francis?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Anybody who handles the puck is going to turn it over from time to time. If you recall in his rookie season in a road game against CHI he did that inside opponent blueline. Burke told him to keep playing his game because he's creative and makes more plays than blows.

Are you saying he turns the puck over at those areas more than other guys who control the puck?

I don’t know but my view is he makes high risk plays that have low probability of success.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Azure

At the end of the day if we want to will while Johnny and Monahan are still on this team, we need more depth and better leadership.

The team fell apart in the last game.

not really, they controlled the entire game and didn't allow many shots or high danger scoring chances

the goalies fell apart...try winning a game where every 3rd shot goes in your net

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don’t know but my view is he makes high risk plays that have low probability of success.

I want offensive guys to make high risk plays. Every offensive guy I watch blows the zone to get a step - I think it's something a team should accept in order to get goals.

I don't think Gaudreau makes reckless offensive plays that don't have much chance - he would not have stayed in the NHL if these were a recurring thing in his game.

Respectuflly, I think Gaudreau detractors only look for his warts. So if there is a bad play that most good players make, somehow it's criminal if Gaudreau makes them.

[Jiri Hrdina]

We all have our confirmation biases. I suspect you do as well with Johnny just the reverse.
But high risk, low probability plays are not good particularly in dangerous spots. But their nature they will cause more damage than benefit

[Murph]

Originally Posted by Wood

I think trading Gaudreau is the right thing to do, but I'm not opposed to keeping the core together and going all in for another season

If it blows up in our faces again, Gaudreau could have more value on the last year of his contract than he would this off-season

If you can add a legit top 6 player (Hall) to this core, there should be no more excuses. Give Tkachuk/Hall top line duties and open up the ice for Monahan/Gaudreau

It won't happen but if Bennett was up to the task, a top 9 like this would be exciting:

Hall - Bennett - Tkachuk
Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Mangiapane - Backlund - Dube

Flames would have to move someone like Ryan to afford a goalie and sign Mangiapane, so I doubt it works. But it's fun to dream

I was thinking about a post with these exact lines yesterday, and then I looked at the cap implications. In this scenario we’re going with Rittich as the starter, the defence is mighty thin, or potentially both if Hall wants too much money. But you’re right - they’d put a lot of pucks in the net.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

We all have our confirmation biases. I suspect you do as well with Johnny just the reverse.
But high risk, low probability plays are not good particularly in dangerous spots. But their nature they will cause more damage than benefit

Fair enough. You're likely right with my own biases. I just don't think Gaudreau makes a lot of high risk low probability plays - not to the extent which you are claiming but I doubt we can move each other on this point.

I respect your position but we disagree.

[manwiches]

I can think of 3 examples this playoffs alone that he had a turnover on the offensive blue line or someone else did, and he was the guy busting his chops to get back, and prevented a scoring opportunity.

In his zone, he does what every other skill winger does, and hang between the blue and ringette line, supporting the far side and getting in lanes when it's on his side. Wingers aren't typically in the position to sacrifice their bodies on big shots, and Johnny would probably shatter if he took one from any NHL d man. He knows that. So he plays the smart positional play in his zone. I have no issue with this defensive zone coverage. He is usually not the reason they are scored on when the puck is in their zone. Where he is the issue is when the play transitions the other way, and he doesn't pick up the high guy who comes in.

This playoffs and this year, from my assessment, is that he was asked to be more defensively sound. He did that. But he couldn't marry that fact with being the creative offensive threat he has been in past seasons. He lost his chemistry with Monahan, by trying to do too much, and being too cognizant of his defensive responsibilities.

I'm by no means giving him a full pass this season, but I think there is nothing gained by trading him, unless it's for a kings ransom. I think we should give him this offseason to figure out the marriage between his natural skill set and the skill set he has honed this past season.

My prediction if he stays. He comes to camp ready and has figured out how to marry these two skill sets. We may not get 99 point season Johnny, but we will get 80+, with a good defensive awareness and better chemistry with whoever he plays with.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

can we trade Eric Francis?

You spelt launch into the sun wrong

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

can we trade Eric Francis?

I think his trade value is at an all time low-at this point, all we could probably get for him is Larry Brooks.....

[Petert]

I really think dummy Francis is not at all popular within our organization.

[mile]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

can we trade Eric Francis?

Just saw him tweet his newest link, titled "Should Johnny Gaudreau be taking more responsibility for Flames early exit?" after today's presser.

lol he's so desperate