2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Groot

My ideal offseason, don't be too harsh lol

Hire Gallant
Sign Hall - 7.75 x 7
Sign Lehner - 6.75 x 6
Sign Brodie - 5.25 x 6
Re-sign Mangiapane - 2.0 x 2
Re-sign Gustafsson - 1.2 x 3
Re-sign Reider - 700k x 2
Re-sign Kylington 730k x 1
Trade Monahan + Gaudreau + 2021 1st Round Pick for Barkov
Promote 2 forwards internally for 4th line RW/13th FW

Hall (7.75) - Barkov (5.9) - Lindholm (4.85)
Tkachuk (7.0) - Backlund (5.35) - Mangiapane (2.0)
Lucic (5.25) - Bennett (2.55) - Dube (0.778)
Reider (0.700) - Ryan (3.13) - ?? (0.800)
?? (0.800)

Giordano (6.75) - Andersson (4.55)
Hanifin (4.95) - Brodie (5.25)
Valimaki (0.890) - Gustafsson (1.2)
Kylington (0.73)

Lehner (6.75)
Rittich (2.75)

Total Cap Hit - $80.678
Remaining - $822k

Love Barkov but that is a ridiculous overpayment and the Panthers are trying to cut salary, not add a pile of it.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If you sign Hall and trade Gaudreau, you replace Gaudreau for a marginally higher cap hit, plus get the return for Gaudreau.

It is really difficult to make a case that it wouldn't improve the team.

Has anyone made the case that it wouldn't improve the team?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Because upping their offer wouldn't have mattered because they had a done deal and the player reportedly would not waive his trade clause.

The Flames didn't cheap out on Kadri, he just wouldn't come here, and I don't know if Brodie would have waived either if it had come to that.

Okay, if the Flames didn't cheap out on Kadri, then what was your original point?

If they didn't get a fair return for him, it was due to the NTC, not because they were in some perceived bad negotiating position.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I have, and there are a lot of ways that it could play out, so I am not going to bother creating examples.

Obviously, Plan A, if they were to sign Hall, would be to trade one of their other forwards.

'just trade one of their other forwards'.

Without taking salary back.

This is exactly what I am saying with my posts, which was initially a response to AC that signing hall first means the flames are then dealing from a position of strength.

Being over the cap barrel is not a position of strength, it's a position to get ripped off.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

'just trade one of their other forwards'.

Without taking salary back.

This is exactly what I am saying with my posts, which was initially a response to AC that signing hall first means the flames are then dealing from a position of strength.

Being over the cap barrel is not a position of strength, it's a position to get ripped off.

No one said 'no salary back'. You yourself suggested trading Gaudreau for 2 lesser player that is one way to tackle the cap situation.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No one said 'no salary back'. You yourself suggested trading Gaudreau for 2 lesser player that is one way to tackle the cap situation.

Ok, follow along here.

If the Flames are trading one of their other forwards to get cap space, they can't really take salary back in that exchange.

handwaving away being over the cap by sending out a big ticket forward like Monahan or Backlund without any cap coming back isn't an easy trade to pull off without getting ripped off in the process.

If they are trading away another forward to alleviate cap pressure, taking salary back doesn't exactly fix anything.

which is why they would need to send the salary out without it coming back.

[Aarongavey]

What trades have been made recently with a large contract going one way and with little or no cap hits coming back that were not made at the deadline? Trying to think of one but am drawing a blank. Never mind, there was the Marleau trade last year where the Leafs got a 6th round pick but had to throw in their first rounder and a 7th to get it done.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

What trades have been made recently with a large contract going one way and with little or no cap hits coming back that were not made at the deadline? Trying to think of one but am drawing a blank.

marleau to carolina for purposes of buyout

[Corral]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Has anyone made the case that it wouldn't improve the team?

Throwing boatloads of money at UFAs looking to cash in seems like it is a sure thing to cup glory

Not.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

What trades have been made recently with a large contract going one way and with little or no cap hits coming back that were not made at the deadline? Trying to think of one but am drawing a blank. Never mind, there was the Marleau trade last year where the Leafs got a 6th round pick but had to throw in their first rounder and a 7th to get it done.

JT Miller trade last summer?

[VladtheImpaler]

The gist of the argument is that in this league it seems that $6M of cap space is worth a mediocre 1st round pick... ballpark anyhow. FW's point is that of you are trading JG and leave yourself no cap room to take salary back, you pretty much have to reduce your expected return by the aforementioned 1st round pick. That is a good argument against signing Hall first. Of course, if you sign Hall first, "one in the hand... etc", Hall is off the market, so there is a good argument for that too.
Personally, I am leaning to FW's view that I would want to have maximum flexibility when making my trades to ensure top return, but I can definitely see both sides on this one...

[IrishSpring2013]

Miller to Vancouver
Erik Karlsson to San Jose
Hoffman to San Jose
Jeff Skinner to Buffalo
PK Subban to New Jersey

Big salaries traded out with no major salary coming back.

[TheScorpion]

Jeff Skinner was traded for a 2nd and an ECHL prospect.

Hoffman was traded for Boedker.

Subban was traded for 2 2nds.

Those returns all stink. I'd hope the Flames could do much better than that.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by IrishSpring2013

Miller to Vancouver
Erik Karlsson to San Jose
Hoffman to San Jose
Jeff Skinner to Buffalo
PK Subban to New Jersey

Big salaries traded out with no major salary coming back.

Hoffman has Boedeker coming back who I believe made more than him, but the other ones for sure were straight salary dumps.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Groot

My ideal offseason, don't be too harsh lol

Hire Gallant
Sign Hall - 7.75 x 7
Sign Lehner - 6.75 x 6
Sign Brodie - 5.25 x 6
Re-sign Mangiapane - 2.0 x 2
Re-sign Gustafsson - 1.2 x 3
Re-sign Reider - 700k x 2
Re-sign Kylington 730k x 1
Trade Monahan + Gaudreau + 2021 1st Round Pick for Barkov
Promote 2 forwards internally for 4th line RW/13th FW

Hall (7.75) - Barkov (5.9) - Lindholm (4.85)
Tkachuk (7.0) - Backlund (5.35) - Mangiapane (2.0)
Lucic (5.25) - Bennett (2.55) - Dube (0.778)
Reider (0.700) - Ryan (3.13) - ?? (0.800)
?? (0.800)

Giordano (6.75) - Andersson (4.55)
Hanifin (4.95) - Brodie (5.25)
Valimaki (0.890) - Gustafsson (1.2)
Kylington (0.73)

Lehner (6.75)
Rittich (2.75)

Total Cap Hit - $80.678
Remaining - $822k

I’m not sure you understand how coveted a player like Gustafsson will be. 1.2 x 3 isn’t realistic for him. He’s likely looking at something in between 3 and 5 million depending on term

[Yoho]

Some loose August speculation.

New Jersey Devils: Targeting Key Calgary Flames Forwards

by David Holliday19h ago

https://pucksandpitchforks.com/2020/...orwards/amp/3/

[Roof-Daddy]

Trade 1 - 2020 4th (SJS - 96th overall) to Coyotes for rights to UFA Taylor Hall

Sign Hall to a 6 year $7,750,000 AAV contract

Trade 2 - Johnny Gaudreau, Sam Bennett, Oliver Kylington to Flyers for Sean Couturier, Shayne Gostisbehere, 2020 2nd (PHI - 57th overall)

Trade 3 - Noah Hanifin to Canadiens for Joel Armia, Cale Fleury, 2020 2nd (CHI - 48th overall)

Flames Draft: 8 picks

1st - 19th
2nd - 48th, 50th, 57th
3rd - 76th (if oilers relinquish 2020 3rd)
4th - None
5th - 143rd
6th - 174th
7th - 205th

Prospects added

19th - C - Tyson Foerster
48th - C - Tristen Robins
50th - D - Alex Cotton
57th - G - Nico Daws

After that I have no idea haha

Signings

Re-sign Andrew Mangiapane - 2 years $2,500,000 AAV
Re-sign Cam Talbot - 2 years $3,500,000 AAV
Re-sign Glenn Gawdin - 1 year $787,500 (QO)

Sign Carson Soucy - 1 year $950,000
Sign Logan Shaw - 1 year $750,000
Sign Luca Sbisa - 1 year $750,000

Forwards

Taylor Hall - Sean Couturier - Elias Lindholm
Matt Tkachuk - Sean Monahan - Andrew Mangiapane
Dillon Dube - Mikael Backlund - Joel Armia
Milan Lucic - Derek Ryan - Matthew Phillips

Glenn Gawdin, Logan Shaw

Defense

Mark Giordano - Shayne Gostisbehere
Jusso Valimaki - Rasmus Andersson
Carson Soucy - Cale Fleury

Luca Sbisa

Goalies

Cam Talbot
David Rittich

$1,235,002 Cap Space

[Harry Lime]

For either Johnny or Monahan, there are going to be multiple suitors. There would actually be more teams after Sean than Gaudreau. The interesting part of that article is that the rest of the league views Monahan as a 200ft player. It's only the Calgary fans that crap on his defensive ability. I think that he has taken great strides this year to add that element to his game.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by bax

I’m not sure you understand how coveted a player like Gustafsson will be. 1.2 x 3 isn’t realistic for him. He’s likely looking at something in between 3 and 5 million depending on term

Only way he gets $5 million per is if Feaster gets a GM job again. $3 million seems high too but can't totally rule that out.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

For either Johnny or Monahan, there are going to be multiple suitors. There would actually be more teams after Sean than Gaudreau. The interesting part of that article is that the rest of the league views Monahan as a 200ft player. It's only the Calgary fans that crap on his defensive ability. I think that he has taken great strides this year to add that element to his game.

I don't know if that is true (source?) but if they view him that way, they are wrong.